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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:16 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:16 pm to Napoleon
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Yes with a whopping 87 hours total flight time.
50 of that training..
I just keep very current and have read all the coursework up to ATP pilot. So I'm good on the ground stuff. Flying is just so expensive, I'd rather wait until I can actually purchase a Cessna (which I hope is in my forties) to really get into it. Maybe get my IFR.
(as I don't even have that). It's just so cost prohibitive to do all this if you have no plans to be a pilot as a career. I should have just got a sport pilot. But then I only like the bigger planes. I hate flying in a two seater. You are literally arm to arm with the person next to you in a tiny box.
Flying has also fascinated me as well, but as you said unless one is well off or training for a career I can never justify the expense..........
Maybe buying /sharing a plane with someone else or other like-minded recreational pilots could help with expenses ?
I had casually researched the idea in the past, but this whole ordeal has me considering it again. I can afford the training , but then what? Where the hell would I even fly to?It's not like I have several homes to hop around to.
Buy the way I hear there was only a 2 minute time lapse between last radio communication(1:21 am) & transponder being turned off(1:19).
Maybe he was in trouble(unknowingly) & that explains the you usually brief sign instead of the crisp & robotic exchange(giving flight I'D numbers ,identification,etc....)
I got to go to work. I'll convince you guys tomorrow.
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:17 pm to tgrgrd00
those times are east Australian times so that is why there is conflicting times from media and these releases.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:26 pm to sugar71
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I can afford the training , but then what? Where the hell would I even fly to?It's not like I have several homes to hop around to.
Most people I've talked to, usually do they "$100 Hamburger" flight. Where they fly somewhere (like a small town) just to go shopping and have lunch.
The $100 refers to the fuel costs. Last I looked 100LL was like $6.10 a gallon. That always pissed me off, because these planes can be ran on 93 octane gas, but regulations make them have their own leaded fuel.
The lead gives extra octane.
(the LL stands for Low Lead)
It cost's $135 an hour to rent the 172's at New Orleans per flight hour, minimum three hours a day if you need to keep the plane multiple days. The 152s were $99 an hour, and minimum two hours a day.
I know they have 162s now and they are supposed to be the new training plane, but I haven't checked them out. I have a few hours in a Piper as well. For looks and flying, I prefer the low wing, and for getting into and out of(you have to walk on a wing and everyone goes through one door on low wing, high wing has two doors you enter like a car) and take off and landings I prefer the high wing planes.
I looked into half ownership. Also found a strip in St Charles parish where you can park for $25 a month.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:32 pm to Napoleon
Thanks for hypoxia video.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:48 pm to Cs
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An alternate flight route had already been programmed prior to the last verbal transaction with the plane.
I have seen some pilots say that is standard procedure.
If they were having an emergency what do we know about the airports in the direction of the turn? Highly populated areas? Mountainous?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:53 pm to Topwater Trout
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An alternate flight route had already been programmed prior to the last verbal transaction with the plane.
How is this known with any certainty?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:59 pm to Napoleon
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The $100 refers to the fuel costs. Last I looked 100LL was like $6.10 a gallon. That always pissed me off, because these planes can be ran on 93 octane gas, but regulations make them have their own leaded fuel.
When I quit flying 100LL was around $1.99. For some planes you can get a waiver to run auto gas, the Cessna 172 was one plane that I am sure qualified. I think the process was called a "STC" an was just a bunch of paper work. I have commercial multi-engine with instrument ratings, but have not been current for a long time, so long ago that I have never flown a plane using GPS.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:01 pm to pensacola
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How is this known with any certainty?
I don't know.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:16 pm to Topwater Trout
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I have seen some pilots say that is standard procedure.
It's done frequently to avoid inclement weather or areas of heavy air traffic.
The waypoint that was programmed, however, was drastically off their intended course.
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How is this known with any certainty?
FMS reported the route alteration to ACARS (before it was shut down), which transmitted the data back to ATC. All of this occurred before the "Alright, good night" comment.
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Flight 370’s Flight Management System reported its status to the Acars, which in turn transmitted information back to a maintenance base, according to an American official. This shows that the reprogramming happened before the Acars stopped working. The Acars ceased to function about the same time that oral radio contact was lost and the airplane’s transponder also stopped, fueling suspicions that foul play was involved in the plane’s disappearance.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:17 pm to Topwater Trout
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I have seen some pilots say that is standard procedure.
If they were having an emergency what do we know about the airports in the direction of the turn? Highly populated areas? Mountainous?
I would say it is standard procedure to know where an alternate airport is.
In the article where the reporter outlined the on board fire theory he said the 120 degree turn the plane made lined it perfectly for a straight in approach to a 13,000 foot runway at another airport that would be simpler to fly into than the airport they departed from.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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I don't know.
Yea, I keep hearing this thrown around as fact but even at the initial reporting of it I never saw how or where it was proven.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:20 pm to pensacola
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How is this known with any certainty?
Most FMS systems (if not all) allow you to program your alternates. On an over water flight you commonly program your LSAF (Last Suitable Airfield) and FSAF (First Suitable Airfield) and generally a planned alternate. You have an Equal Time Point along the flight where you turn back towards your LSAF if you have an emergency beforehand and after that point you head forward towards your FSAF.
It's pretty easy to program an alternate and most modern FMS's (since around 1985 or so) are loaded from a disk with all information in it. And it would auto populate a lot of that data and you just have to direct it towards the alternate if you need it.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:26 pm to Kilgore Snout
Lots of talk about hypoxia. Obviously there are the several types of hypoxia, but the hypoxic hypoxia caused by a pressurization problem would be signaled pretty loudly by the aircraft. Anytime the Cabin Pressurization exceeds 10,000' you get a Master Warning that lights up the cockpit pretty loudly and bright in red. And you can be at altitudes up to 13,500 for 30 minutes without oxygen without signs of hypoxia.
I don't believe much when it comes to a "slow leak" causing hypoxia up front. The dixie cups would drop, the Master Caution would light up, and the pilots would have a very long time to put on their oxygen masks. Explosive decompression is different of course.
I don't believe much when it comes to a "slow leak" causing hypoxia up front. The dixie cups would drop, the Master Caution would light up, and the pilots would have a very long time to put on their oxygen masks. Explosive decompression is different of course.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:35 pm to Kilgore Snout
Great info on the FSAF, etc.
Do we know for certain if the turn occurred before all right, good night? Was it the FSAF that was programmed into the FMS or a different waypoint?
Do we know for certain if the turn occurred before all right, good night? Was it the FSAF that was programmed into the FMS or a different waypoint?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:44 pm to pensacola
Boeing says that no malfunction or event could've turned transponder off, per Saxby Chambliss on Fox.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:46 pm to OldHickory
Wow
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:47 pm to sugar71
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As far as ACARS I am getting conflicting stories about how it's turned off. Some say you have to climb into a 'pit' below the deck while some suggested it can be turned off from the cockpit?
I found this, but I am still looking for a cockpit image with the actual breaker shown.
"The only way to disable it is by pulling a circuit breaker in the cockpit. There are hundreds of circuit breakers in the cockpit of a 777 that correspond to every electrical device in the plane — from the coffee pot to the sockets on passenger seats. To find that particular circuit breaker one would have to be a 777 pilot or an expert trained in that particular model of aircraft."
Then there is this, flight management menu has a screen where ACARS can be disabled.
"The instructor, who has flown the Boeing 777 for eight years, said the ACARS was an independent system that cannot be switched off but it could be disabled through the ACARS manager page, which is part of the flight instrumentation."
Posted on 3/20/14 at 8:49 pm to RunningBlake
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This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:19 pm to EA6B
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cannot be switched off but it could be disabled
Maybe we need to go back to pg50 of this thread so people can argue the difference between switching off and disabling.
Seriously, for the context of what happened is there a difference?
Btw, did Fox bring in an Aussie ringer now that Australia has taken a larger part in the story?
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 9:20 pm to fightin tigers
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Maybe we need to go back to pg50 of this thread so people can argue the difference between switching off and disabling.
Seriously, for the context of what happened is there a difference?
Absolutely Not!
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