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Global economics will lead to the rise of MLS
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:40 pm
General economic situations in some countries have always been poor. Central and South American players have usually had deflated wages and inconsistent paychecks. Top South Americans are elite players, and most make moves to Europe asap.
The mexican league has done a solid job of attracting South American players on a level below elite. Humberto Suazo comes to mind.
The designated player rule has led to mls clubs being able to sign some of these players. Guys like Javier Morales and Diego Valeri. Technical players who can string together passes and deliver the final ball. This has contributed to a notable rise in quality on these teams.
The fiscal issues might be headed to Southern Europe soon. Spain, Portugal, and Greece's economies are in rough shape. Two years ago, there were no spainards in MLS now there are 9. Granted, there are no Xavis or Iniestas but some decent players.
If global economic conditions continue, and the new MLS CBA makes a significant increase to the salary cap, then you're looking at potential for a serious improvement in the level of play, which should increase the quality of the national team by increasing the level of competition for the majority of the pool, increasing the financial incentive for young Americans to pursue soccer, and increasing the possibility of naturalizing talented foreigners.
The mexican league has done a solid job of attracting South American players on a level below elite. Humberto Suazo comes to mind.
The designated player rule has led to mls clubs being able to sign some of these players. Guys like Javier Morales and Diego Valeri. Technical players who can string together passes and deliver the final ball. This has contributed to a notable rise in quality on these teams.
The fiscal issues might be headed to Southern Europe soon. Spain, Portugal, and Greece's economies are in rough shape. Two years ago, there were no spainards in MLS now there are 9. Granted, there are no Xavis or Iniestas but some decent players.
If global economic conditions continue, and the new MLS CBA makes a significant increase to the salary cap, then you're looking at potential for a serious improvement in the level of play, which should increase the quality of the national team by increasing the level of competition for the majority of the pool, increasing the financial incentive for young Americans to pursue soccer, and increasing the possibility of naturalizing talented foreigners.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:42 pm to inelishaitrust
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:45 pm to inelishaitrust
I agree getting better central and south american players will happen. But passing the Brazilian league will be tough.
But the MLS and North America will never offer anyting to the level of Champions League soccer which kids over here dream of doing from the minute they touch the ball.
Its a good start but it honestly needs to go. As well with the MLS owning all the rights to players. Lets teams buy and sell who ever they want and spend as much as they want.
Salary Cap needs to go if the MLS wants get that top tier status.
But the MLS and North America will never offer anyting to the level of Champions League soccer which kids over here dream of doing from the minute they touch the ball.
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The designated player rule has led to mls clubs being able to sign some of these players
Its a good start but it honestly needs to go. As well with the MLS owning all the rights to players. Lets teams buy and sell who ever they want and spend as much as they want.
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and the new MLS CBA makes a significant increase to the salary cap, then you're looking at potential for a serious improvement in the level of play,
Salary Cap needs to go if the MLS wants get that top tier status.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:57 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Salary Cap needs to go if the MLS wants get that top tier status.
Maybe true, but it can't go. Not yet.
Reference the old NASL to see why.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:03 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Salary Cap needs to go
One of my assertions is that the current system of football at a serious financial loss to ownership is an unsustainable model. I don't think Rangers will be the last club to illustrate that. The EPL and the Bundesliga will probably always be able to afford to spend like crazy. But, even Barcelona has gotten in trouble recently.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:03 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Reference the old NASL to see why.
this isn't the 70's
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:08 pm to inelishaitrust
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One of my assertions is that the current system of football at a serious financial loss to ownership is an unsustainable model.
Not really but FIFA fair play will curb the absurd spending.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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this isn't the 70's
You sure aren't much of a thinker. That's one thing I've noticed since my time on this board.
Do you realize how big the NASL was in the 70s? It had major financial backing. The clubs had big time attendances.
Even if the league didn't fold due to massive overspending, it could end up like the Bundesliga.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I believe that the business of soccer is experiencing a bubble similar to the housing market in the early 2000's. When the housing market burst in 08, prices deflated to a more reasonable level, and those who made shrewd and conservative business decisions (and those bailed out by the government) survived.
MLS is making a very intelligent slow play. jmo.
MLS is making a very intelligent slow play. jmo.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:12 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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You sure aren't much of a thinker. That's one thing I've noticed since my time on this board.
Yea man what ever you say.
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Do you realize how big the NASL was in the 70s? It had major financial backing. The clubs had big time attendances.
It was a flash in the pan league
MLS is not that what so ever. Sports have changed since then.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Not really but FIFA fair play will curb the absurd spending.
You're more hopeful than I am.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It was a flash in the pan league
Yea, it was. It was around for 16 years. You know, the same amount of time MLS has been around for right now. And it didn't get bad for NASL financially until the last 2-3 years when the Cosmos were spending like crazy and everyone else tried to play catch up. It all happened in like three years. If the MLS folded three years from now it would also be considered a "Flash in the pan".
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:25 pm to cwil177
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You're more hopeful than I am.
well when you got clubs like Man City adding seats that wont be used to loop hole the rules its kinda sad
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:27 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Yea, it was. It was around for 16 years. You know, the same amount of time MLS has been around for right now. And it didn't get bad for NASL financially until the last 2-3 years when the Cosmos were spending like crazy and everyone else tried to play catch up. It all happened in like three years. If the MLS folded three years from now it would also be considered a "Flash in the pan".
The MLS is so much more stable with much more established ownership, sponsors, and tv deals. Throw that in with the explosion of soccer in this country you really can't use the NASL as a bench mark of why ditching the salary cap could be a bad idea.
Top level talent does not want salary restrictions and having their contract owned by the league not their clubs.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:28 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Top level talent does not want salary restrictions and having their contract owned by the league not their clubs.
I know that....
But it's just not that time yet.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Slow growth and stability is the way to go with MLS.
Drop the salary cap and you put all of that at risk. Not worth it.
Drop the salary cap and you put all of that at risk. Not worth it.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:34 pm to cwil177
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Slow growth and stability is the way to go with MLS.
Drop the salary cap and you put all of that at risk. Not worth it.
I agree but honestly I never see MLS dropping the salary cap. Which will always hinder the league.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I agree but honestly I never see MLS dropping the salary cap. Which will always hinder the league.
It actually depends what the salary cap is set at. If the salary cap was set at 50M, then that would build a decent team in most any league.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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It actually depends what the salary cap is set at. If the salary cap was set at 50M, then that would build a decent team in most any league.
Which would def create a competitive balance but 50 mil is half the NFL. Which would be good but not there yet to score elite talent, and is still not even on English Championship levels for the most part.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 4:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Which would be good but not there yet to score elite talent, and is still not even on English Championship levels for the most part.
That is wrong. LINK
No Championship club in 2011/12 had a wage bill of 50m except West Ham, whose wage bill in was 68m in dollars (41m in pounds). Outside of the super clubs in England, a cap of 50m would exceed most European clubs. That will change with respect to England, as the new TV deal looks to make English PL clubs the richest in the world, but an imaginary cap of 50m is extremely competitive.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 4:01 pm
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