Hollinger's Rankings on ES (shitspin)

Minnesota has been good statistically. They have a good defense based on points per possession, opponent fg%, etc? and they have a good offense based on the same stats.

And they have a +4.1 point differential, which is comparable to good teams like Houston (+4.5), Portland (+4.8), Golden State (+4.4), etc.

It's actually pretty crazy how mediocre their record is.

It's because they've lost almost every close game they've played where teams like Houston and Portland win most of their close games.

They are much better than their record reflects.

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And they have a +4.1 point differential, which is comparable to good teams like Houston (+4.5), Portland (+4.8), Golden State (+4.4), etc.

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I understand that's a big reason for their position, but it's not just a stroke of luck or coincidence if you can obliterate bad teams but consistently lose to quality teams. That's my issue with the rankings. The rankings give credit for close losses to good teams, but if you consistently do that how do you measure that lack of ability for a Minnesota, and that strength with the better teams?


Miami had plenty of close wins in the playoffs, but they consistently can win those games, and thats why they come out on top. Its not like its a pinch difference.

Just go look at some of the wins Minnesota has


Some of the MEGA-blowouts that skew their point diff


23 point win over LAL
29 point win over Clev.
30 point win over Brklyn. (1st half Brklyn)
28 point win over Det.
22 point win over Milw.
31 point win over Phila.
27 point win over Charl.
27 point win over Denv.
18 point win over Boston


All teams with .500 or worse records.

10 wins against teams with a winning record.

Rockets have 19 wins against teams w/ winning record.

Rockets are barely even 1 whole rating pt ahead of Minnesota.

For comparison, Indiana is only 0.6 rating pts ahead of Minnesota.

Are you really telling me Minnesota is as good as the Pacers? Thats what these rankings are basically saying.

And like I said Rockets beat Miami, Houston rating goes down, Miami rating goes up. I understand its Houston at home, but I dont think that should result in a penalty.

Someone doesn't understand how the whole algorithm thing works

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Wayne Winston also has the Clips as numero uno


Rank Team offense defense rating
1 Los Angeles Clippers 7.12 0.15 6.97
2 Indiana Pacers -1.78 -8.67 6.90
3 Oklahoma City Thunder 4.45 -2.33 6.78
4 San Antonio Spurs 3.47 -3.04 6.50
5 Miami Heat 3.83 -1.71 5.54
6 Portland Trail Blazers 7.21 1.78 5.44
7 Golden State Warriors 2.76 -2.33 5.09
8 Houston Rockets 5.80 0.90 4.90
9 Minnesota Timberwolves 5.07 0.28 4.79
10 Phoenix Suns 4.35 1.63 2.72
11 Toronto Raptors -0.05 -2.75 2.70
12 Dallas Mavericks 3.80 1.39 2.41
13 Memphis Grizzlies -5.55 -6.51 0.96
14 Chicago Bulls -7.67 -8.04 0.37
15 Washington Wizards -0.34 -0.66 0.31
16 Atlanta Hawks 1.55 2.20 -0.65
17 Sacramento Kings 1.18 2.88 -1.70
18 New Orleans Pelicans -1.48 0.50 -1.98
19 Denver Nuggets 1.72 3.85 -2.13
20 Charlotte Bobcats -5.59 -3.42 -2.18
21 Brooklyn Nets -2.87 -0.60 -2.27
22 New York Knicks -2.82 0.31 -3.13
23 Detroit Pistons 0.35 3.93 -3.58
24 Boston Celtics -5.22 -1.14 -4.08
25 Utah Jazz -5.82 -1.22 -4.61
26 Los Angeles Lakers 0.97 5.74 -4.77
27 Cleveland Cavaliers -3.54 1.47 -5.01
28 Orlando Magic -3.66 1.94 -5.60
29 Milwaukee Bucks -6.79 2.52 -9.31
30 Philadelphia 76ers -0.47 10.91 -11.38

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8 Houston Rockets 5.80 0.90 4.90
9 Minnesota Timberwolves 5.07 0.28 4.79

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Yep, Rockets are 2-0 against the T'Wolves, and 22 games over .500, while the T'Wolves are a game under .500 and hold an 0-2 record against the Rockets yet they are basically at the same exact rating.

I know for a fact Hollinger's Ratings give more value to a blowout win over a shitty team than to a win against a quality opponent. Which is completely horeshit because your competition only gets better in the playoffs. I dont give a shite how bad you blow out bad teams. It proves nothing if you can kill every bad team but never beat any good teams.

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Not the fact that the Clippers are at the #1 spot while being the 3rd or 4th best team in their own conference?

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The Clippers are underrated...I wouldn't put them at #1, but it isn't as much of a stretch as you are making it out to be.