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Could Hillary's Iraq War Vote Cost Her The Nomination Again?

Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:02 pm
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:02 pm
Former Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer (D) seems to think so.

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Former Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer went to Iowa Wednesday night. And, as he has a knack for doing, he made news.

"I didn’t vote for that war, and I didn’t think it was a good idea," Schweitzer said of Iraq. "George Bush got a bunch of Democrats to go to that war, I was just shaking my head in Montana."

There's, of course, only one Democrat who voted for "that war" who is thinking about running for president in 2016: Hillary Clinton. Schweitzer and everyone else in the audience -- and the broader political world -- knew who he meant. In case you missed that, he added this gem: "Gosh, we had Bush, Bush, Bush and Clinton, Clinton and now we’re talking about a Bush or a Clinton again and I think in America we’re always looking for leadership that takes us to the future and we’re not often looking in the rear view mirror for our leadership."

There's a very clear reason that Schweitzer targeted Clinton. He knows that no matter how big a frontrunner Clinton is in the 2016 race, there will always be a desire on the liberal left to get behind a candidate who isn't part of the D.C. political establishment. If that candidate isn't Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren -- and she has given every indication it won't be -- then, Schweitzer figures, why shouldn't it be him? ("Why not me" is a surprisingly common reason for running for offices.)

After all, he gave a very well-received speech -- sporting a bolo tie! -- at the 2008 Democratic National Convention, left office after two terms as governor of Montana with sky-high approval ratings and has become a favorite son among the liberal left. He's also remarkably charismatic -- we first came across Schweitzer when he ran against then Sen. Conrad Burns in 2000 -- with a sort of everyman appeal that Gov. Chris Christie has turned into political gold in New Jersey.


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Here's a video clip of Schweitzer's speech.

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Here's a video clip of Hillary's infamous 2003 war speech.

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Not only will Hillary have to worry about a Democrat hitting her over the head with her Iraq war vote in the primaries, but I'm sure Rand Paul won't be bashful about borrowing from Obama's 2008 playbook as soon as she throws her hat in the ring.
Posted by NHTIGER
Central New Hampshire
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:16 pm to
MSNBC contributor - that'll really give him a boost.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37315 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:48 pm to
One would think her professional record that amount to absolute T total shite would cost her a nomination. Or maybe it would be her track record as appointed Secretary of State during Obama's first term. Or possibly all of the secrets in the Clinton closet could derail her dreams. Maybe it could be the fact that there is not a woman on earth that is capable of being the leader of the free world and would never be taken seriously on a global scene.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 7:58 pm to
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Could Hillary's Iraq War Vote Cost Her The Nomination Again?
Not a chance. Other issues might though.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42493 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:00 pm to
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desire on the liberal left to get behind a candidate who isn't part of the D.C. political establishment. If that candidate isn't Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren


wait - are people serious about wanting this ignorant liar to run for POTUS ???

seriously ???
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4962 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:06 pm to
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Could Hillary's Iraq War Vote Cost Her The Nomination Again?


Nope.

Age and her health is becoming a huge factor, especially her health.

IF she runs, the left will be fawning all over her, tellings us how she is the 'smartest' woman in the world.

The left doesn't really care about her vote on Eye-rack. They hated Bush with a purple passion(and still do).

Look at the current dufus in the WH. He said he was gonna shut down Gitmo ASAP. Well, its still open. I doubt it will ever be shut-down.

It was all smoke and mirrors from the left.
It always is. Nothin has changed with them.

It was never about Iraq, it was about a man with an R behind his name in the WH.

Blee-dat.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:07 pm to
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Maybe it could be the fact that there is not a woman on earth that is capable of being the leader of the free world and would never be taken seriously on a global scene.

Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:17 pm to
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The left doesn't really care about her vote on Eye-rack.

If this were true, Obama's campaign would have never gotten traction, but the base would have already had their anti-war hero. You right-wingers seem unable to comprehend how big an issue Iraq was in the Democratic primaries, but FYI, it was at least as big as abortion is in the Republican primaries.

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In the 2008 Democratic primary, Iraq, more than the economy, was the paramount issue that framed the contest and sealed the respective fates of the two major candidates vying for the nomination: Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Clinton tried everything to distance herself from the affirmative vote she cast for the Iraq War Resolution of 2002, a resolution that gave President Bush carte blanche in determining when and how to remove the regime in Baghdad. The measure passed both Houses of Congress with strong bipartisan support and put members of Congress on the record less than a month before contentious off-year elections were to take place.

The Democratic primary electorate, however endeared it was to Clinton on other issues, was incredulous at best of Clinton’s election year conversion into an anti-Iraq War crusader. Clinton lost the nomination because of her vote to give President Bush the authorization to use force in Iraq. Obama won the nomination, and subsequently the presidency, largely because of that same vote. The issue that Schweitzer raised deserves to be examined and debated just as rigorously in 2016 as it was in 2008, given that the war, which presently isn’t even close to concluding, resulted in the deaths of more than four thousand U.S. service members, cost over a trillion dollars, exacerbated the volatility of a crucial region for U.S. national interests, gave impetus to Iranian hegemony, introduced Al Qaeda, suicide terrorism, Zarqawism, and sectarian violence in Iraq, eroded American credibility in the world, and led to pervasive, chronic, and ultimately tragic misfortune for the Iraqi populace.


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Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
70782 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:24 pm to
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there is not a woman on earth that is capable of being the leader of the free world and would never be taken seriously on a global scene.



Yeah, Thatcher was a wimp. Our friends across the pond should have put Kinnock in charge instead.

For that matter, how is Ogump's Y chromosome working for us right now?
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:27 pm to
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Maybe it could be the fact that there is not a woman on earth that is capable of being the leader of the free world and would never be taken seriously on a global scene.


I hate Hilary and I hope she never becomes president but you're talking out of your arse here big time.

Who's to say there isn't an American margaret thatcher popping up in our future?
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37315 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:30 pm to
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For that matter, how is Ogump's Y chromosome working for us right now?


I can assure you my vote had zero to do with him being in the White House today. I'm merely saying that the majority of the rest of the world does not respect women enough to consider them to be a threat. The world is not ready for a female POTUS. We may as well mail it all in if that occurs at this particular point in time.

God forbid something happen to both Obama and Biden in the next three years.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:33 pm to
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I hate Hilary and I hope she never becomes president but you're talking out of your arse here big time.

Who's to say there isn't an American margaret thatcher popping up in our future?

Not just Thatcher but there have been many other female world leaders to refute this.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:36 pm to
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I can assure you my vote had zero to do with him being in the White House today. I'm merely saying that the majority of the rest of the world does not respect women enough to consider them to be a threat. The world is not ready for a female POTUS. We may as well mail it all in if that occurs at this particular point in time.

Why do you think so many other countries have elected world leaders as their head of state?

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God forbid something happen to both Obama and Biden in the next three years.


That would mean that John Boehner would become President.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 8:59 pm to
Chris Matthews is starting to sour on neocon Hillary. Check out this video:

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Her Iraq war vote cost her the nomination in 2008, but obviously she hasn't learned anything since then. Either that, or she's so arrogant that she thinks she can just ignore the Democratic base to prove how "tough" she is. Wouldn't it be funny if her foreign policy positions cost her the White House again, but instead of being attacked from the left by Democrat Barack Obama, she's attacked from the left by the Republican Rand Paul? I think it would serve her right.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 9:31 pm
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9604 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:06 pm to
They owe her for saving Bill's presidency.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22773 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:12 pm to


It is so funny that the way they avoid someone with flaws in their track record is to vote for someone with no track record at all. While I don't care for Clinton either the logic of voting for Obama because he didn't make Clinton's Iraq vote is just stupid.

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70782 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:21 pm to
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the logic of voting for Obama because he didn't make Clinton's Iraq vote is just stupid.


I kige this.

Ogump was a nobody state senator back then. Opposing the war was a safe position to take. If anything at all goes wrong you can come back later and say "I told you so". If it becomes the first war in history where everything goes perfectly, your comments can disappear down the memory hole.

Fact is, the Iraq war was a success. We deposed Saddam and allowed the Iraqis to choose their own leaders. Those were major objectives of the operation. You can certainly argue that it wasn't worth the price in blood and treasure, but that's a different question.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:21 pm to
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It is so funny that the way they avoid someone with flaws in their track record is to vote for someone with no track record at all. While I don't care for Clinton either the logic of voting for Obama because he didn't make Clinton's Iraq vote is just stupid.

What you saying doesn't make any sense at all. If you were a Democratic primary voter in 2008, and a non-interventionist foreign policy was your primary concern, Obama was the only choice you had. There was no third option.

And your talk of Obama's lack of a foreign policy track record is downright hypocritical considering the fact that Obama had more foreign policy experience that either Reagan of W before they were elected President.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:22 pm to
Don't forget Benghazi.

Or, the Reset Button.

Or, the FACT that Bill and Hill pumped Obamacare more effectively than Obama.

Finally, and this is not a sexist comment, she is one tired old woman.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:24 pm to
What foreign policy did Obama have?
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