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mizzoukills
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Ukraine isn't an Ally of the United States. Why Can't Europe Confront Putin?


Why do we need to get involved?


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JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Ukraine isn't an Ally of the United States. Why Can't Europe Confront Putin?


Ukraine is an ally of the US. All of Eastern Europe looks to the US to counter balance Russia.





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TN Bhoy
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re: Ukraine isn't an Ally of the United States. Why Can't Europe Confront Putin?


LINK

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The U.S. recognized Ukraine’s unique contribution to nuclear disarmament and reconfirmed that the security assurances, recorded in the Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine of December 5, 1994, remain in effect.






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mizzoukills
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The U.S. recognized Ukraine’s unique contribution to nuclear disarmament and reconfirmed that the security assurances, recorded in the Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine of December 5, 1994, remain in effect



Are the "security assurances" an actual treaty?






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rcd0808
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Ukraine did deploy troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan to help us out. I guess that doesnt mean shite though.





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TWD7105
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They are involved in the PFP.





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joshnorris14
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Ukraine did deploy troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan to help us out. I guess that doesnt mean shite though.


That was the Ukranian government though. The same government the Russians support

So by that logic, the US should help quell the uprising?






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mizzoukills
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That was the Ukranian government though. The same government the Russians support So by that logic, the US should help quell the uprising?



Hmmmm?






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MisterSenator
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re: Ukraine isn't an Ally of the United States. Why Can't Europe Confront Putin?


The "EU is currently weighing 'targeted measures' if Russia doesn't back off on Ukraine" is a headline from sometime earlier today

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Despite the claims, the EU is threatening to freeze visa liberalization and economic cooperation talks and boycott the G8 summit in Russia's Sochi if Moscow does not back off in Ukraine.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the EU would give Russia until an emergency summit of EU leaders is held on Thursday to show clear signs of goodwill, including a willingness to open talks and a withdrawal of Russian troops to their barracks in the Crimea.


LINK



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mizzoukills
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The "EU is currently weighing 'targeted measures' if Russia doesn't back off on Ukraine" is a headline from sometime earlier today



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rcd0808
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French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said the EU would give Russia until an emergency summit of EU leaders is held on Thursday to show clear signs of goodwill, including a willingness to open talks and a withdrawal of Russian troops to their barracks in the Crimea.



That's not gonna happen.






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MisterSenator
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just updated my post w/ quote and link.

not exactly as deep of measures as we'd like, but at least they are making a definitive stand on Russian aggression and provocation






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mizzoukills
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they're drawing a red line. Putin's pissing on it.





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MisterSenator
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they're drawing a red line. Putin's pissing ACROSS it


FIFY






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Sleeping Tiger
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re: Ukraine isn't an Ally of the United States. Why Can't Europe Confront Putin?


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Why do we need to get involved?



Because Ukraine is a huge economic and military power grab.

Which is why we've spent billion to subvert Ukrainian politics over the last two decades.

Having a pro western regime in office is huge. Getting Ukraine on the western banking block is even bigger.

Russia's economy is reliant on the pipelines that run through Ukraine. If the west controls Ukraine and can install NATO it's a huge economic and military win as we further isolate Russia.






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MisterSenator
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Russia's economy is reliant on the pipelines that run through Ukraine

this and very agricultural friendly land there: they're essentially a greatplains/midwest region in that part of the world.

power grab for sure






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mizzoukills
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Okay, Sleepy...what happens if Ukraine falls?





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KosmoCramer
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Okay, Sleepy...what happens if Ukraine falls?


Obviously that depends who you are.

Are you, me or any other American citizen directly effected unless we have relatives or friends in Ukraine?

No. Probably not.

One could argue that it hinders US interests, but does it really? Enough we should go to war over?







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mizzoukills
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Obviously that depends who you are. Are you, me or any other American citizen directly effected unless we have relatives or friends in Ukraine? No. Probably not. One could argue that it hinders US interests, but does it really? Enough we should go to war over?



That's what I'm getting at...it appears that only Putin wins in this scenario.






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