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Man dead after refusing to show police ID

Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:04 pm
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Another day another police beat down.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72004 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:11 pm to
Yep, just one more example of cops acting like thugs.

We won't hear a peep from the "good cops" who should be demanding these individuals be held accountable for their actions. That is probably because good cops don't exist.

Once again though, nothing will come of this. These thugs will get docked a little bit of pay, suspended for a short amount of time, and then go about their merry little lives. The rest of us would be locked away for doing something like that.

We just get held to a higher standard than the uneducated, adrenaline junkies who happen to be backed by the government and can harass and assault citizens at whim.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:13 pm to
If mother and daughter had not acted like heatherns, cops would have never been there. If the husband had not been combative, he likely wouldn't have been sprayed and taken down. Being civilized has it's perks.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98715 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:13 pm to
That's why you always have a dog with you, so they kill the dog and not you.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72004 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:14 pm to
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Being civilized has it's perks.
Like I said, we normal citizens are held to a higher standard than cops.

Apparently, only one side needed to act civilized.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:16 pm to
I was just about to post this.

Dude and his family were in Moore, OK (site of those tornadoes last year, right outside OKC).

Mom slaps 19 yr old daughter for being disrespectful. Police swarm (as they often do when the cops have absolutely nothing to do). Accost the man whom they presume is at fault in the dispute. Five of them pepper spray him in the mouth, eyes, and ears. Throw him to the ground. Lay on top of him.

The coroner has not come back with the autopsy yet, but when he does, it is presumed to be death by asphyxiation.

To hell with these cops.

The video does not show the initial engagement, but as they are speaking to the woman, the cops do not give an argument as to why they pummeled the guy.


Also of interest, here is a link to Moore, Oklahoma crime:

WAY LESS THAN AVG AMERICAN CITY


Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:16 pm to
They did what they were trained to do. Guy likely asphyxiated from the pepper spray. They immediately called for medical personnel once they realized he needed medical attention. A cops job isn't to risk being abused or worse. Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating. As I said, don't act a heathern, don't get treated like one.

eta- It's an unfortunate tragedy that was brought on by the actions of the wife. There are consequences to actions. Yelling and screaming doesn't change that.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:18 pm
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:19 pm to
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Alahunter






quote:

Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating.



I would say the sole reason that the situation escalated to a man's death was the mother fricking police.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:20 pm to
Had he calmly stated his name, do you think he'd be dead today?
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:21 pm to
frickin egos, sigh
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:21 pm to
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frickin egos, sigh


It's usually what causes the situations to begin with.
Posted by tdg
Member since Sep 2009
223 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:22 pm to
No, they did not immediately call for medical attention. Five of them continued to hold him down until he was dead.

I don't know if they are trained to kill people for not showing ID or not, but if that is the policy then it needs to be changed.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:22 pm to
Does it really matter?

My God..

How can you be defending this?

People aren't always going to behave ideally, the job of the officer is to handle it like a professional, not a thug. Being uncooperative is not a green light to brutally beat someone and kill them.

Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76476 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

They did what they were trained to do. Guy likely asphyxiated from the pepper spray. They immediately called for medical personnel once they realized he needed medical attention. A cops job isn't to risk being abused or worse. Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating. As I said, don't act a heathern, don't get treated like one.

eta- It's an unfortunate tragedy that was brought on by the actions of the wife. There are consequences to actions. Yelling and screaming doesn't change that.




Wow, what a pathetic apologetic little bitch you are.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66342 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:23 pm to
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Like I said, we normal citizens are held to a higher standard than cops.

Apparently, only one side needed to act civilized.


you don't know anything that happened from that video.

So you are making a lot of assumptions.

Obviously death seems extreme in this incident, but there is no way of knowing why he died (Freak reaction to pepper spray?) or why they peppered sprayed him in the first place.

Posted by Upperaltiger06
North Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
3944 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:23 pm to
You never fail to be a perfect jack arse.

quote:

Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating.


Escalating? What? You mean like dying?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72004 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

They did what they were trained to do.
So, they are trained to tackle, assault, and restrain an individual who had nothing to do with the reason why they were there for not showing the cops his ID?

Well damn, that is some amazing training that we give these people.
quote:

Guy likely asphyxiated from the pepper spray.
Then the guy was killed by the person who used the pepper spray on him. That is a fact.
quote:

They immediately called for medical personnel once they realized he needed medical attention.
Well, good for them. That just makes everything leading up to that point completely acceptable.
quote:

A cops job isn't to risk being abused or worse.
A cop's job also isn't to put himself and others in positions like this.
quote:

Their job is to take control of a situation to prevent it from escalating.


Where the hell was it going to escalate? An unarmed man who wasn't a threat to anyone around him, a fact that is apparent since he had just left a movie theater with a multitude of other people and wasn't even involved in the situation that they cops were called for, is now dead.

I would like to give the cops a round of applause for that one. They sure kept that situation from escalating.
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As I said, don't act a heathern, don't get treated like one.
You condemn the non-cop and hold him to a higher standard than those who have the ability to assault and possibly murder regular citizens. That just amazes me.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

How can you be defending this?

Probably a pig himself.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

green light to brutally beat someone


Where did this happen? I must have missed it.

quote:

How can you be defending this?


I'm not. I'm also not vilifying the cops, without knowing the entire scenario. Based on claims the man was combative, I will give them some room, until proven otherwise. Domestic situations are some of the most dangerous situations a LE officer has to deal with. I doubt seriously they got together and said, hey, lets go kill this guy.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10433 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 1:24 pm to
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There are consequences to actions


So are you saying the cops should be held accountable for their actions or not?
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