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Question, GOT the show Red Wedding: spoilers
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:36 pm
After watching Season 3 and more specifically the "Red Wedding" episode I have a question. Why was it such a surprise that they killed Robb and Catelyn and Robb's wife? I mean, Robb basically spit in Walder Frey's face by going back on his word to marry one of Frey's daughters. Not only does he do that, but he brings the girl that he married instead to the wedding. What exactly did he think was going to happen? They already had to make a promise to marry his daughter just to get safe passage through his land, did he really think that this was the kind of guy that it was a good idea to do that with? I guess I wasn't really surprised by how it all turned out. I haven't read the book part of this episode and maybe it goes into better detail as to why this was a surprise. does anyone have a good explanation as to why this was a surprise to viewers? Thanks in advance.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 1:05 pm
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:38 pm to CalLSU
guest rights, bro.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:41 pm to CalLSU
they were given salt and bread meaning they were under the protection of the lord of the castle...guests right
may be spoilers in link...click at own risk
may be spoilers in link...click at own risk
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The guest right is a sacred law of hospitality. When a guest, be he common born or noble, eats the food and drinks the drink off a host's table beneath the host's roof, the guest right is invoked. Bread and salt are the traditional provisions. When invoked, neither the guest can harm his host nor the host harm his guest for the length of the guest's stay.[1] For either to do so would be to break a sacred covenant that is believed to invoke the wrath of the Gods both old and new. Both the teachings of the old gods and the Faith of the Seven hold to this. Even robber lords and wreckers are bound by the ancient laws of hospitality. [2]
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:44 pm to iAmBatman
Guest right are sacred in Westeros. A family is said to be cursed forever if they break them. The Freys set guest rights on fire and pissed on the ashes.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:45 pm to CalLSU
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Why was it such a surprise that they killed Robb and Catelyn and Robb's wife?
Because Robb, Catelyn, and his wife were under the protection of guest rights.
Guest rights: If a visiting guest is offered and accepts food, no harm will come to them by the host's hands. If harm does come to them at the hand of the host, the host is cursed for eternity by the old gods and the new.
It was a big fricking deal.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:46 pm to CalLSU
Even when I was reading A Storm of Swords, I could see it coming because I knew Walder Frey was a piece of shite with no honor. I knew it was for sure happening when Robb apologized and Frey responded "Yes. A broken oath that no words can make right. Heh Heh"
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 3:51 pm to CalLSU
quote:
After watching Season 3 and more specifically the "Red Wedding" episode I have a question. Why was it such a surprise that they killed Robb and Catelyn and Robb's wife? I mean, Robb basically spit in Walder Frey's face by going back on his word to marry one of Frey's daughters. Not only does he do that, but he brings the girl that he married instead to the wedding. What exactly did he think was going to happen? They already had to make a promise to marry his daughter just to get safe passage through his land, did he really think that this was the kind of guy that it was a good idea to do that with? I guess I wasn't really surprised by how it all turned out. I haven't read the book part of this episode and maybe it goes into better detail as to why this was a surprise. does anyone have a good explanation as to why this was a surprise to viewers? Thanks in advance.
The ritual of "guest rights," the sharing of the bread and salt and vowing that your guests are protected under your roof means A LOT. Those who violate Guest Rights are cursed.
Spoiler warning:
In the episode "Mhysa" (the episode directly following "Rains of Castamere"/Red Wedding), there's the scene that Bran tells Jojen, Meera, and Hodor about the Rat Cook. The Rat Cook cooked a prince's son in his pies and served it to the King. As a result the Rat Cook turned into a rat because what he did was accursed in the eyes of the gods.
The TL;DR version:
No one respects the Freys post-Red Wedding; they violated a sacred ritual that was still practiced in Westeros. They are FRICKED.
Hope that helps.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:00 pm to ladytiger118
It's not like Walder had a choice.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:07 pm to Korin
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It's not like Walder had a choice.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:09 pm to Korin
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:12 pm to CalLSU
In the book Catelyn kinda knew going in they were fricked. The chapters leading up to it from her pov were full of dread thinking about going to the Freys, she made it a point to stress to Robb that they eat his salt and bread as quickly as possible so they'd be protected. But for people who hadn't read the book beforehand I can see how it blindsided so many people.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:16 pm to TigerBait1127
If Tywin Lannister wants you to do something, it's not exactly a choice.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:17 pm to Tyrion Lannister
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In the book Catelyn kinda knew going in they were fricked. The chapters leading up to it from her pov were full of dread thinking about going to the Freys, she made it a point to stress to Robb that they eat his salt and bread as quickly as possible so They'd be protected. But for people who hadn't read the book beforehand I can see how it blindsided so many people.
This. There was a lot more anxiety in the book leading up to the RW.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:19 pm to Prosecuted Collins
It was on the show too. She was freaking out when Robb decided to delay their trip there because of the weather.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:51 pm to CalLSU
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but it's because of guest rights.
eta: I wanted to be the seventh person to explain it as seven is a holy number in Westeros.
eta: I wanted to be the seventh person to explain it as seven is a holy number in Westeros.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:51 pm to Korin
Yeah, both the show and ASoS showed Catelyn becoming more anxious and nervous about heading to the Twins. She knew that Walder wasn't someone to mess with and was pissed when Robb married TalisaJeyne
Posted on 2/24/14 at 4:57 pm to ladytiger118
Do you think a single Frey will survive through aDoS? I think the next 2 books will basically be a Frey Holocaust
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:04 pm to ladytiger118
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when Robb married TalisaJeyne
Here is a question: why the frick did they change who Robb married in the show and how they met? I have read the books many times beginning in 2000, so I am beholden to what is written and therefore could not stomach the changes being made in the show so stopped watching early on. However, my friends started watching and needed me to explain everything, so I began watching a few episodes with them starting mid 2nd season. I cannot figure out why they changed who Robb married from the book. It really pissed me off. Does anyone know why they did this?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:05 pm to LeonPhelps
Also, Rob is supposed to have red hair. How hard is it to dye someone's hair to match the book?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 5:06 pm to CalLSU
Well, Robb didn't bring his wife there in the books for reasons you stated.
But Guest Rights are serious fricking business in Westeros. No one had ever broken them in history to the degree that Walder Frey did. If Walder did that without Tywin's Lannister's pardon, Tywin would have wiped out the Freys regardless for breaking of the guest right, regardless of the fact that the Freys helped out the Lannisters cause. The Freys are now easily the most despised family in Westeros and even their allies hope they are all brutally murdered in their sleep.
But Guest Rights are serious fricking business in Westeros. No one had ever broken them in history to the degree that Walder Frey did. If Walder did that without Tywin's Lannister's pardon, Tywin would have wiped out the Freys regardless for breaking of the guest right, regardless of the fact that the Freys helped out the Lannisters cause. The Freys are now easily the most despised family in Westeros and even their allies hope they are all brutally murdered in their sleep.
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