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Thomas Sowell is no fan of Ted Cruz
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:24 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:24 am
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Senator Ted Cruz has not yet reached the point where he can make policy, rather than just make political trouble. But there are already disquieting signs that he is looking out for Ted Cruz — even if that sets back the causes he claims to be serving.
Those causes are not being served when Senator Cruz undermines the election chances of the only political party that has any chance of undoing the disasters that Barack Obama has already inflicted on the nation — and forestalling new disasters that are visible on the horizon.
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The most charitable interpretation of Ted Cruz and his supporters is that they are willing to see the Republican Party weakened in the short run, in hopes that they will be able to take it over in the long run, and set it on a different path as a more purified conservative party.
Like many political ideas, this one is not new. It represents a political strategy that was tried long ago — and failed long ago.
This should go over about as well as a turd in a punch bowl here.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:26 am to Politiceaux
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Like many political ideas, this one is not new. It represents a political strategy that was tried long ago — and failed long ago.
While I'm a fan of Sowell, didn't the establishment say the same things about Ronald Reagan in the late 70's?
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:27 am to Politiceaux
i'm not a huge cruz fan, but i disagree with sowell here regarding the strategy
similar to the hope that the establishment GOP will work to decrease the size, power, and cost of the federal government
just look at the farm bill
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Like many political ideas, this one is not new. It represents a political strategy that was tried long ago — and failed long ago.
similar to the hope that the establishment GOP will work to decrease the size, power, and cost of the federal government
just look at the farm bill
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:27 am to Politiceaux
I agree with Sowell most of the time but disagree with him here
Who cares of Cruz is in a position of power or not. He is still a senator and one out of 100, who is doing his job of representing his state. The people who elected Cruz wanted him to fight not just the democrats but also the Republicans. He is doing what he was sent to Washington to do.
He is exposing the hypocrisy of the establishment GOP who talk the talk about limited government and stopping Obama's agenda but do not walk the walk. If that jeopardizes the Republicans chances of winning the senate so be it. I'd rather have a senate minority that stands on principle than a senate majortiy that is a rubber stamp for expanded government.
Who cares of Cruz is in a position of power or not. He is still a senator and one out of 100, who is doing his job of representing his state. The people who elected Cruz wanted him to fight not just the democrats but also the Republicans. He is doing what he was sent to Washington to do.
He is exposing the hypocrisy of the establishment GOP who talk the talk about limited government and stopping Obama's agenda but do not walk the walk. If that jeopardizes the Republicans chances of winning the senate so be it. I'd rather have a senate minority that stands on principle than a senate majortiy that is a rubber stamp for expanded government.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:28 am to MMauler
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While I'm a fan of Sowell, didn't the establishment say the same things about Ronald Reagan in the late 70's?
YES - In the 70s we heard the same things about Reagan. He is too extreme, he can't win, we need a moderate, etc.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:29 am to Politiceaux
Well, I respect Sowell. Cruz should have a sit down with Sowell; it would be well worth it to take heed to Thomas Sowell's wisdom. I hope the two get together; both are very smart folk.
Like all things, there is a need for balance in negotiating life's challenges.
Like all things, there is a need for balance in negotiating life's challenges.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:31 am to RCDfan1950
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Like all things, there is a need for balance in negotiating life's challenges.
Cruz only represents Texas. He doesn't represent the GOP establishment, national GOP, or anything else.
He was sent to Washington to do what he is doing.
All of his campaign ads in 2012 said how both parties are to blame for our ills and that he will take on progressives and big government statists in BOTH parties. Not just democrats.
He is doing what he said he would do
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:34 am to goldennugget
quote:While that may be true, one needs to realize that Romney's share of the vote among whites, blacks and latinos would have given him a landslide victory if the country's demographics were the same as in 1980 and 1984. The same shares of the same coalitions from 30+ years ago simply aren't enough to win nationally anymore. That's an objective fact.
YES - In the 70s we heard the same things about Reagan. He is too extreme, he can't win, we need a moderate, etc.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 8:38 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:34 am to Politiceaux
In this situation Sowell sounds more like Karl Rove. I think Sowell is only saying lets take the sure moderate Republican over the not so sure conservative. In the short term I agree we need to win the senate, when that happens the conservatives can hopefully gain some internal strength.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:36 am to Politiceaux
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The same share of the same coalitions from 30+ years ago simply aren't enough to win nationally anymore. That's an objective fact.
i agree, and it leads to the question of what those demos require of their national candidate
and then you get into an argument justifying Romney's "47%" comments
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:37 am to dante
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In this situation Sowell sounds more like Karl Rove. I think Sowell is only saying lets take the sure moderate Republican over the not so sure conservative. In the short term I agree we need to win the senate, when that happens the conservatives can hopefully gain some internal strength.
They won't - see 2000-2006
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:41 am to Politiceaux
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While that may be true, one needs to realize that Romney's share of the vote among whites, blacks and latinos would have given him a landslide victory if the country's demographics were the same as in 1980 and 1984. The same shares of the same coalitions from 30+ years ago simply aren't enough to win nationally anymore. That's an objective fact.
So what do you expect to do? All out pander to latinos and blacks?
Face it, latinos are natural leftists who love themselves big government.
I always hear RINOs say "Latinos are natural conservatives!" but that is the biggest crock of shite in the world. They all hail from countries where the government takes care of them.
You attract people to your side by articulating conservatism and standing on principle, not pandering. If latino/black votes can only be won over by pandering and handouts and big government, this country is lost anyway.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:46 am to goldennugget
quote:Were there any vocal conservative leaders in the Senate at that point? I think they were more consumed with being in power. Now, if the R's take the Senate and Cruz and Paul DON"T grandstand about changes then we just have more of the same. I think Cruz and Paul are leaders and once they are part of the majority party their influence will be noticed.
They won't - see 2000-2006
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:50 am to goldennugget
The whole argument is at it's core, whether or not the Government becomes the arbiter of who get what and how much...or whether it is left to individuals according to their personal merit.
Latinos and Blacks need to understand that the whole economy is going to shrink, if we choose to implement the former Statist model. We are already giving subsidies based on CREDIT, and this can only last so long, before the Government goodies go away.
Everybody needs to know that Capitalism is not the government for lazy and irresponsible people; it's the government for freedom, responsibility and people who are willing to work to increase their affluence and enjoy what life offers.
The good life will go away for most, as the Middle and the Low economic classes merge...and Obama will never miss a single round of golf.
Latinos and Blacks need to understand that the whole economy is going to shrink, if we choose to implement the former Statist model. We are already giving subsidies based on CREDIT, and this can only last so long, before the Government goodies go away.
Everybody needs to know that Capitalism is not the government for lazy and irresponsible people; it's the government for freedom, responsibility and people who are willing to work to increase their affluence and enjoy what life offers.
The good life will go away for most, as the Middle and the Low economic classes merge...and Obama will never miss a single round of golf.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:50 am to goldennugget
quote:I agree, FWIW.
Face it, latinos are natural leftists who love themselves big government.
I always hear RINOs say "Latinos are natural conservatives!" but that is the biggest crock of shite in the world. They all hail from countries where the government takes care of them.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Indeed. The only probable answers are problematic, IMO.
i agree, and it leads to the question of what those demos require of their national candidate
On another note, I need to ask you a question re: lawyering in LC. Can you email me at politiceaux@gmail.com?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:07 am to Politiceaux
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Senator Ted Cruz has not yet reached the point where he can make policy, rather than just make political trouble
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The Brookings Institute has released scores ranking how effective members of Congress were in 2013. And by “effective” they mean how effective congresspersons were at getting their proposed legislation through committee, a major hurdle in the legislative process. What they find may surprise you. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) was the most efficient Senator, which means Cruz got the highest percentage of his proposed bills through committee (7 out of 8). Compare this to Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) who proposed 61 pieces of legislation and literally none of them made it through committee.
Using another metric to define productivity, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) had the highest number of their bills make it through committee, 13 and 11 respectively. Thinking about this another way for instance, Rand Paul was 4x as effective at getting bills through committee than the average Senator would be expected to.
It may surprise some that Paul and Cruz, two senators dubbed tea party “wacko birds” could be so effective in getting their legislation through committee. It demonstrates that while these Senators are often defined by their willingness to take ideological stances on issues, albeit different stances at times, they are also willing to engage with the actual political process in efforts to make changes.
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Seems like he is the most efficient in getting things done in the Senate. But we wont hear it bc it doesn't fit the attack narrative.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:13 am to goldennugget
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I always hear RINOs say "Latinos are natural conservatives!" but that is the biggest crock of shite
I tend to agree.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:19 am to dante
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I think Sowell is only saying lets take the sure moderate Republican over the not so sure conservative.
I can give you two (losers) reasons why that is a bad strategy --
We've been given this song and dance before and let the Dems and the media pick our candidate.
It's time for Conservatives to turn the tables. We need to get out and support and vote for Joe Biden in the Dem primaries. Let's pick their candidate for a change.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:20 am to navy
Raul Labrador laughs at this.
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