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The transition to single payer HC would be an absolute disaster
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:43 pm
What would happen to the millions of people employed in the insurance sector? What would happen to private doctors and hospitals who can't compete with a monopoly that offers its service for free? You are KIDDING yourself if you think a private market could survive while competing against that odious entity known as the state.
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Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Water is wet!
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:You lost me there.
What would happen to private doctors and hospitals who can't compete with a monopoly that offers its service for free?
But you're right, single-payer would be a disaster
Posted on 2/15/14 at 1:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Are you talking about the government owning all medical device manufacturers, hospitals, DME companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc? Or just nationalization of the third party payment system?
Big difference there. The former would be an absolute disaster. The latter would end up looking like the K-12 public school system, with the poor getting service in name only and the rich getting high quality medical care outside the public system.
Big difference there. The former would be an absolute disaster. The latter would end up looking like the K-12 public school system, with the poor getting service in name only and the rich getting high quality medical care outside the public system.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Government run anything is a complete disaster. Their track record is pathetic.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
almost every single industrial country has it, and they are not disasters, in fact, the US has worse health care and pays more for it than many other countries that have nationalized medicine.
Sorry, facts hurt.
Sorry, facts hurt.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:53 pm to 4LSU2
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Government run anything is a complete disaster. Their track record is pathetic.
This. I will never understand why liberals think the Government can do things better than the private sector.
People really think politicians and bureaucrats can run Healthcare better and more efficiently than doctors and insurance agencies who went to school specifically for that career?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 5:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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What would happen to the millions of people employed in the insurance sector?
Don't care. Insurance industry and all those profit off of people's health needs to burn in a fire.
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What would happen to private doctors and hospitals who can't compete with a monopoly that offers its service for free?
Then you know, people who aren't rich can afford the same health care the Donald Trump's of the world get. Oh darn not that.
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You are KIDDING yourself if you think a private market could survive while competing against that odious entity known as the state.
You say this like it's a bad thing.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:15 pm to asurob1
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Then you know, people who aren't rich can afford the same health care the Donald Trump's of the world get. Oh darn not that.
You're dreaming if you believe that. Donald Trump will go to a private doctor unless you make that illegal. Then he'll fly to Costa Rica or whatever country allows American doctors to set up boutique practices. Them only the ultra-rich will be able to escape the system while middle-class families will be denied necessary treatments if Sebelius decides they don't matter.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:18 pm to asurob1
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Then you know, people who aren't rich can afford the same health care the Donald Trump's of the world get. Oh darn not that.
Shitty healthcare?
You're kidding yourself if you think the quality of healthcare won't take a serious dive under a UHC system.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:26 pm to sabes que
Look up demographics and med mal brah..comparing apples to oranges when you compare the US to Sweden, let's say..next time you go to Walmart..like, om..look around and know that everyone in there will likely live to 80 unless they are shot and killed or die in a car accident. People that compare the life expectancy and medical care in the US vs other Western country's know nothing about health care and the dollars and sweat spent on noncompliant, obese patients.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 6:59 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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You're dreaming if you believe that. Donald Trump will go to a private doctor unless you make that illegal. Then he'll fly to Costa Rica or whatever country allows American doctors to set up boutique practices. Them only the ultra-rich will be able to escape the system while middle-class families will be denied necessary treatments if Sebelius decides they don't matter.
shrug.
More doctors for the rest of us.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:00 pm to Antonio Moss
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Shitty healthcare?
You're kidding yourself if you think the quality of healthcare won't take a serious dive under a UHC system.
You're kidding yourself if you think the quality of heathcare will take a serious dive under a UHC system.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:01 pm to asurob1
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. Insurance industry and all those profit off of people's health needs to burn in a fire.
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. Insurance industry and all those profit off of people's health needs to burn in a fire.
why? i love health care and the ability to hedge my costs in major medical needs with insurance
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Then you know, people who aren't rich can afford the same health care the Donald Trump's of the world get.
we all get to enjoy lesser care and our freedom to contract/associate is destroyed. sounds legit
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You say this like it's a bad thing.
what do you have against progress?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:01 pm to asurob1
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You're kidding yourself if you think the quality of heathcare will take a serious dive under a UHC system.
i doubt you have many professional canadian friends
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:05 pm to asurob1
quote:You first!
all those profit off of people's health needs to burn in a fire.
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:05 pm to asurob1
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Insurance industry and all those profit off of people's health needs to burn in a fire.
So aerobics instructors and pediatric rheumatologists need to burn in a fire?? They definitely profit off of people's health
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:06 pm to asurob1
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Don't care. Insurance industry and all those profit off of people's health needs to burn in a fire.
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Then you know, people who aren't rich can afford the same health care the Donald Trump's of the world get. Oh darn not that.
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You say this like it's a bad thing.
How could you possibly debate and argue emotionally driven posts like these?
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:07 pm to NC_Tigah
hey if profit improves health care and makes society better, then i fricking love profit
how many major medications do Canada and Western Europe develop?
how many major medications do Canada and Western Europe develop?
This post was edited on 2/15/14 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 2/15/14 at 7:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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What would happen to the millions of people employed in the insurance sector? What would happen to private doctors and hospitals who can't compete with a monopoly that offers its service for free? You are KIDDING yourself if you think a private market could survive while competing against that odious entity known as the state.
Has it been a disaster in other western countries that have tried it? The millions of insurance sector employees you mention are already beneficiaries of unimaginable government intervention and largesse, so they are middle men that should be simply cut out.
Doctors in this country fight like hell against things like nurse practitioners. That is, they don't care about free markets at all. What they care about is creating government-sanctioned licensure cartels which protect their position and drive up costs. Screw 'em.
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