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Latest Obamacre clown show: Businesses can't make staffing decisions due to law

Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by Politiceaux
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:53 am
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Some lawmakers, though, have claimed that the mere threat of the employer mandate is causing companies to shed full-time workers in the hope of keeping their staff size below 50 and avoiding the requirement.

Administration officials dispute that this is happening on any large scale. Further, Treasury officials said Monday that businesses will be told to "certify" that they are not shedding full-time workers simply to avoid the mandate. Officials said employers will be told to sign a "self-attestation" on their tax forms affirming this, under penalty of perjury.

Officials stressed that the latest reprieve applies to a relatively small percentage of employers -- albeit companies that employ millions of workers.
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The clown car rolls on.
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:56 am to
Going to use the IRS to punish those not playing nice.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:58 am to
BIZ CON... said it here 6 years ago. But did anyone listen? Noooooo.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 11:59 am to
Andrew Napolitano was going OFF on this yesterday. With this move, the President is basically creating a new law/crime (naming, defining and setting penalties for it), which is something that is solely the domain of the legislative branch.

How Congress isn't going apeshit over this move (whether it's Republicans, Dems, Libertarians, whatever) is beyond me.
Posted by lsuroadie
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:00 pm to
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Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:00 pm to
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Officials said employers will be told to sign a "self-attestation" on their tax forms affirming this, under penalty of perjury.




How many times were we told ...'noooooooo, that would never happen'




Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

businesses will be told to "certify" that they are not shedding full-time workers simply to avoid the mandate. Officials said employers will be told to sign a "self-attestation" on their tax forms affirming this, under penalty of perjury.

lulz
Posted by Politiceaux
Member since Feb 2009
17654 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:02 pm to
I'm genuinely curious as to what the statutory authority of the treasury department this is.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98432 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

Further, Treasury officials said Monday that businesses will be told to "certify" that they are not shedding full-time workers simply to avoid the mandate. Officials said employers will be told to sign a "self-attestation" on their tax forms affirming this, under penalty of perjury.


Are you mother fricking kidding me?????
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80087 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

How Congress isn't going apeshit over this move (whether it's Republicans, Dems, Libertarians, whatever) is beyond me.


I agree... Amazing that there's no way to get an emergency hearing from the USSC in regards to this matter.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23055 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:05 pm to
They can't do that. No fricking way that doesn't result in a lawsuit.

Besides all they keep saying is that there is no evidence that employers are doing that except for "anecdotal" evidence. So which is it? Is it a problem or not?
Posted by stuntman
Florida
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80087 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:12 pm to
If the Repubs had fricking balls, they would tell the President... You either implement Obamacare as passed in 2009 or repeal it. If not we refuse to move an inch on the debt ceiling.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29023 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

Are you mother fricking kidding me?????




Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

Further, Treasury officials said Monday that businesses will be told to "certify" that they are not shedding full-time workers simply to avoid the mandate. Officials said employers will be told to sign a "self-attestation" on their tax forms affirming this, under penalty of perjury.


What a bunch of BS. Typical Obama and typical silence from Rex, tuba etc while awaiting their talking points.

And, how are they going to prove someone's staffing decisions were a result of Obamacare?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421245 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:14 pm to
these are just regulations. they follow most/all laws. it's not some ploy

but this may be the first time i can remember the government making adapting to a law illegal
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

They can't do that. No fricking way that doesn't result in a lawsuit.


Agreed. I am waiting to see what happens when a business (like Target, WalMart, FedEx, etc) says "go frick yourself" about this.

If the SCOTUS somehow Kelo's this, that's going to be a massive expansion of Executive power and the poster child for the end of free enterprise in this country.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29023 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

And, how are they going to prove someone's staffing decisions were a result of Obamacare?



And how is it any of their fricking business?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80087 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

these are just regulations. they follow most/all laws. it's not some ploy


My comment was in general... With how much this legislation has been cherry picked.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

but this may be the first time i can remember the government making adapting to a law illegal


It's only making the action illegal if it was done because of specific reasoning. I could see a savvy lawyer making this into a 1st Amendment issue (cutting jobs as a method of free speech to express disapproval of the ACA).
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