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How/Why did SEC men's hoops get this bad? LSU should be much better...
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:45 am
And maybe we will get there...but why is the SEC the 7th best league, which basically makes it a glorified mid-major? The SEC dominates football, baseball, softball, and gymnastics. Women's basketball is still among the elite leagues. How did the men fall so far? The SEC has plenty of money and there is plenty of talent to go around.
Right now, the SEC is Florida, Kentucky, and then about 7-9 very mediocre teams that are good enough on any given night to beat a good team and bad enough on any given night to lose to a crappy team.
Is it the coaching? I remember some legends growing up in the 80's. Dale Brown, Joe B. Hall, Hugh Durham, Norm Sloan, Wimp Sanderson, Sonny Smith, Don DeVoe...from top to bottom, the coaching was better back then, I think.
It just shocks me that this league has been so mediocre for so long.
End rant.
Right now, the SEC is Florida, Kentucky, and then about 7-9 very mediocre teams that are good enough on any given night to beat a good team and bad enough on any given night to lose to a crappy team.
Is it the coaching? I remember some legends growing up in the 80's. Dale Brown, Joe B. Hall, Hugh Durham, Norm Sloan, Wimp Sanderson, Sonny Smith, Don DeVoe...from top to bottom, the coaching was better back then, I think.
It just shocks me that this league has been so mediocre for so long.
End rant.
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:52 am to LSUGrad9295
Well, when schools have to use their budgets putting assistant football coaches on a plane next to a recruit heading out west for a visit with another team, just to try and ensure that recruit shows up on your campus, you tend to run out of funds to pay a top notch basketball coach.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:56 am to LSUGrad9295
it is a combination of things like lack of good coaches, teams not keeping the best talent in state, and the actual sec offices. road teams struggle like frick to win a game in this conference because you have things like 33 fouls being called on one team. If you don't have teams that can win on the road you end up with 7-9 ok teams 2 elite teams and the rest dog shite.
LSU and ole miss would both be a lot better if a actual rhythm was allowed to get going in a game instead of it being a whistle fest.
LSU and ole miss would both be a lot better if a actual rhythm was allowed to get going in a game instead of it being a whistle fest.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:58 am to LSUGrad9295
I think the SEC is a little underrated in basketball honestly.
and that, x1000.
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LSU and ole miss would both be a lot better if a actual rhythm was allowed to get going in a game instead of it being a whistle fest.
and that, x1000.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:02 am to heartbreakTiger
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road teams struggle like frick to win a game in this conference because you have things like 33 fouls being called on one team. If you don't have teams that can win on the road you end up with 7-9 ok teams 2 elite teams and the rest dog shite.
This is a great point. There is no reason whatsoever that Alabama should have such a good home record. They are a garbage team, but when refs walk in the gym whistling fouls on the visitors, it can be hard for the road team to win. Look at Arkansas' home vs road records.
Refs are a joke.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:03 am to LSUGrad9295
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Right now, the SEC is Floridaquote:and then about 7-9 very mediocre teams that are good enough on any given night to beat a good team and bad enough on any given night to lose to a crappy team.
(NO Kentucky this year)
FIFY
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:21 am to LSUGrad9295
What has happened at LSU is similar to what has happened to other places in this league. Teams have just not been very good in identifying coaching talent. Some of those coaches have been good recruiters, but still find ways to lose games with what they have.
Scheduling is another factor with some SEC schools. How often have teams like UNC, Kansas, Duke, etc. have played SEC teams in the last several years? Has every SEC team participated in a Old Spice Classic type tournament during non-conference within the last several years? Stuff like that can improve SOS, RPI, etc., yet I see some teams play these mid-major teams that are projected to be in the bottom half of their respective conferences and sometimes either find a way to lose to them, or come close to losing to them. This type of stuff kills us on Selection Sunday.
Scheduling is another factor with some SEC schools. How often have teams like UNC, Kansas, Duke, etc. have played SEC teams in the last several years? Has every SEC team participated in a Old Spice Classic type tournament during non-conference within the last several years? Stuff like that can improve SOS, RPI, etc., yet I see some teams play these mid-major teams that are projected to be in the bottom half of their respective conferences and sometimes either find a way to lose to them, or come close to losing to them. This type of stuff kills us on Selection Sunday.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 10:23 am
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:21 am to LSUGrad9295
It's the Brady/Gottfried/Stansbury curse. It's like the plague.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:29 am to Bryant91092
sec legends 
LSU replaced brady with what we thought was a good coach but it turns out he was really a shitty coach and a terrible recruiter. the time had come to move on.
Bama same boat it was time to move on and they pulled in what looked like a home run but he was terrible.
State: failed big time, they should have stuck by stans and then they pulled a shitty clemson assistant coach
If the sec would clean up the refs and get the product to be more consistent with less whistles then i think home team win percentage would drop and you would see teams like LSU actually rise up a level.
Bama and arky would still be very good at home but teams like uga would fall back to where they belong
Im not sure it would help ut because whistles aren't the problem when they lose, its they live and die by the 3.
LSU replaced brady with what we thought was a good coach but it turns out he was really a shitty coach and a terrible recruiter. the time had come to move on.
Bama same boat it was time to move on and they pulled in what looked like a home run but he was terrible.
State: failed big time, they should have stuck by stans and then they pulled a shitty clemson assistant coach
If the sec would clean up the refs and get the product to be more consistent with less whistles then i think home team win percentage would drop and you would see teams like LSU actually rise up a level.
Bama and arky would still be very good at home but teams like uga would fall back to where they belong
Im not sure it would help ut because whistles aren't the problem when they lose, its they live and die by the 3.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:29 am to LSUGrad9295
Had a long talk about this last night. I'm sorry, I don't think the SEC is that bad. it's been briefly said before, but there are going to be like 9-10 teams that finish between 8-10 and 11-7 in the league. There are several talented teams, but it's almost impossible to win on the road in the sec and I blame the refs. UF, who some analysts consider the best in the country, beat arky in OT and won at bama by 5.
LSU solely lost last night because of fouls being called, that's it. I'd say at least 15 calls were easily iffy, if not more. That dictates everything including defense, getting in a groove, mentality. It's a fricken shame the SEC allows it's refs to be that of a middle school league.
LSU solely lost last night because of fouls being called, that's it. I'd say at least 15 calls were easily iffy, if not more. That dictates everything including defense, getting in a groove, mentality. It's a fricken shame the SEC allows it's refs to be that of a middle school league.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:32 am to LSUGrad9295
LSU has two monster guards and another Jordan Mickey type coming in next year. Year after? A better version of Blake griffin and possibly the #1 player overall. Newman DID say he sees JOB as his big brother.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:33 am to c on z
sec scheduling is also fricking terrible. they should bring back fricking divisions and just extend the conference schedule by 1 game. bring the west and east back, the west plays each other twice for a total of 12 games and then once vs the east for 7. so we have a 19 game conference schedule and all the schedules are then pretty much equal.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:35 am to heartbreakTiger
I was unaware the football recruiting budget paid for basketball coaches, who knew right?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:36 am to LSUButt
quote:this is huge especially for a team like LSU.
That dictates everything including defense, getting in a groove, mentality. It's a fricken shame the SEC allows it's refs to be that of a middle school league.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:43 am to LSUButt
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It's a fricken shame the SEC allows it's refs to be that of a middle school league
The refs were awful last night, but you do realize there is no such thing as SEC officials in basketball. They work games from all conferences.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:55 am to LSUButt
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I don't think the SEC is that bad. it's been briefly said before, but there are going to be like 9-10 teams that finish between 8-10 and 11-7 in the league.
Totally disagree. It is a case of the mediocre beating up on the mediocre.
Put LSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, and probably even Ole Miss in a good league like the ACC and they all get skull-drug over the long haul. 12-6 in the ACC is MUCH better than 12-6 in the SEC
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:59 am to LSUGrad9295
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Put LSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, and probably even Ole Miss in a good league like the ACC and they all get skull-drug over the long haul. 12-6 in the ACC is MUCH better than 12-6 in the SEC
In this particular year I am not so sure about that. Syracuse, Duke, Pitt, and UVA may be the good teams, but everybody else is either mediocre or awful.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:07 am to LSUGrad9295
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Totally disagree. It is a case of the mediocre beating up on the mediocre.
Kentucky has beaten some of the best teams in the country, and lost to 2 teams not gonna make the tourney...on the road. They'll lose more as well, and they're a good team
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:14 am to LSUGrad9295
Home court advantage should be based on the intensity of your home crowd, not by getting more fouls called on your behalf at home.
No team in this league is going to be intimidated by playing in 1/3 full arena on the road. But the officials become the home court advantage based on the ratio of fouls called.
No team in this league is going to be intimidated by playing in 1/3 full arena on the road. But the officials become the home court advantage based on the ratio of fouls called.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:27 am to Choupique19
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Well, when schools have to use their budgets putting assistant football coaches on a plane next to a recruit heading out west for a visit with another team, just to try and ensure that recruit shows up on your campus, you tend to run out of funds to pay a top notch basketball coach.
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This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 11:28 am
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