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Keystone=TransCanada seizing property rights of U.S. citizens against their will

Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:00 pm
Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?

Because that's what has to happen for it to be completed.
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A Canadian company has been threatening to confiscate private land from South Dakota to the Gulf of Mexico, and is already suing many who have refused to allow the Keystone XL pipeline on their property even though the controversial project has yet to receive federal approval.


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I'm curious as to how many so called "Tea Party" members who claim to support individual rights also support the Keystone Pipeline. The two would seem to be at odds.
Construction of the Keystone pipeline is going to mean a Canadian based corporation gets to take land from private American citizens against their will.

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A TransCanada spokesman, Shawn Howard, says the company does not have to wait for a license from the State Department to begin securing land. He said the company has tried to obtain voluntary agreements, but when that fails the company has the right to force lease agreements upon landowners in all six states the pipeline would pass through.


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This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:03 pm to
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Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?


Do liberals support any government using imminent domain?

Because it sounds like the government is the problem here, not the property owners.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:04 pm to
why couldn't you just keep this in the thread already underway when you asked it the first time? Be patient and let that thread play out. geez...
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:04 pm to
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Do liberals support any government using imminent domain?

Because it sounds like the government is the problem here, not the property owners.



I get confused when questions are answered with questions.

Please just answer yes or no.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:06 pm to
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I get confused when questions are answered with questions.


Its Socratic.

Ehh whatever. Responding any further is going to prop up your impending false dichotomy.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:07 pm to
Well, you should thank the liberals on the Supreme Court that made it completely possible that property can be taken by government for any reason.

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In fact, the Supreme Court’s conservative bloc?—?the late Chief Justice William Rehnquist, the now-retired Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas (none of whom was a Bush appointee)?—?had dissented from Stevens’s majority opinion. It was the High Court’s liberal faction?—?Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the since-retired David Souter?—?along with swing-voter Anthony Kennedy?—?who had formed the narrow majority. O’Connor’s dissenting opinion was particularly scathing. “Today the Court abandons [the Fifth Amendment’s] long-held, basic limitation on government power,” she wrote. “Under the banner of economic development, all private property is now vulnerable to being taken and transferred to another private owner, so long as it might be upgraded, i.e., given to an owner who will use it in a way that the legislature deems more beneficial to the public?—?in the process.”


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You view what is in my wallet to be the governments so I don't see how you can be outraged that the land isn't also the governments.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:07 pm to
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why couldn't you just keep this in the thread already underway when you asked it the first time?


Sorry, I forgot to consult you before starting a thread. My bad.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:08 pm to
Straws, you're grasping at them.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:08 pm to
Pipeline rights of way exist regardless of company.

This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.

Stop being a douche.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:09 pm to
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This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.



And Tea Party members agree that the government should have the right to seize the land and property rights of private citizens against their will?

Yes or no?

Posted by blowmeauburn
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
7885 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:14 pm to
In all fairness to liberals. The vast majority of holdouts are loyal Republican voting farmers who are against eminent domain.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23139 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:16 pm to
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I'm curious as to how many so called "Tea Party" members who claim to support individual rights also support the Keystone Pipeline. The two would seem to be at odds.


Easy. They aren't at odds.

Can someone not support a businesses right to build a pipeline without succumbing to the emotional outcries of delusional hippies and the political manipulation of corrupt politicians without supporting the businesses wish to have the government force people to sell their land to accommodate said pipeline?
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:20 pm to
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voting


Might be a mistake.

It doesn't matter if the pen that steals your land with eminent domain is red or blue, or if it has an elephant or a donkey, stealing is stealing.
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
2498 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 12:37 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Canadian company has been threatening to confiscate private land


quote:

has the right to force lease agreements




So which is it?
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14477 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:24 pm to
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Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?


Yes.

At least this one does.
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:25 pm to
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SpidermanTUba


Do you think the government should be able to steal land but not the Canadian govt?
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10805 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:28 pm to
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This is no different that Exxon, Shell or any other company exercising these rights.

Wouldn't disagree. All are theft.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:32 pm to
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Keystone=TransCanada seizing property rights of U.S. citizens against their will
Reminds me of Unocal and Afghanistan.
That didn't turn out well for the Afghans.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:34 pm to
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Do Keystone Pipeline supporters also support Canadians seizing Americans' land?


quote:

Yes.

At least this one does.



TransCanada is NOT seizing land. They are seeking lease agreements with the landowners.

A little advice to the landowners too. Don't allow your negotiation to get to the point of condemnation. The landowner will get his best price at the point just before condemnation. If you wind up in court the landowner will end up with less than the pipeline company's initial offering.

Also, make sure that there is language in the ROW agreement that states that if petroleum product is not being transported through pipeline the pipeline company shall abandon the line within 180 days per the landowner's desired disposition.
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