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Kelo v. City of New London revisited
Posted on 2/5/14 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 11:58 am
LINKhttps://m.weeklystandard.com/articles/kelo-revisited_776021.html
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Cristofaro and I were walking through a section of New London called Fort Trumbull, a fist-shaped peninsula jutting out into the Thames. It is the battleground of what must be the most universally loathed Supreme Court ruling of the new millennium, Kelo v. City of New London (2005). The case is named after its lead plaintiff, Susette Kelo, a nurse who had owned a home a few blocks away from the Cristofaro house. The Supreme Court voted 5-4 to uphold a Connecticut Supreme Court ruling that the city of New London and a nonprofit quasi-public entity that the city had set up, then called the New London Development Corporation (NLDC), were entitled to seize, in a process known as eminent domain, the homes and businesses of Kelo, the Cristofaros, and five other nearby property owners in the name of “economic development” that would generate “new jobs and increased revenue,” in the words of since-retired Justice John Paul Stevens, author of the majority opinion.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:04 pm to Revelator
I read a few days ago about a similar taking of properties in another city. An expanse of 90 acres of properties that had been tax revenue providing to the city were taken under the Kelo case law. To date NOTHING has been built on the land. The excuse was being broke and needing revenue, and that hasn't worked out well at all for the city.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 pm to Revelator
The day that verdict was announced was the day I lost my innocence in believing in our judicial system. For 5 educated individuals to look at government seizure of private property for something as philsophical and unpredictable as "economic development" and say that falls under ED still continues to disappoint me.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:19 pm to Bard
quote:Also proves there is no such thing as PRIVATE property.
The day that verdict was announced was the day I lost my innocence in believing in our judicial system
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:20 pm to Bard
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The day that verdict was announced was the day I lost my innocence in believing in our judicial system. For 5 educated individuals to look at government seizure of private property for something as philsophical and unpredictable as "economic development" and say that falls under ED still continues to disappoint me.
Some decisions by the Courts truly leaves people scratching their heads and this is one of those. Unfortunately when the government has unlimited power and resources, the common man stands little chance of winning.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:32 pm to dante
Property taxes do it as well, they are your annual rent fees from the govt., you no pay see who shows up at your door armed and with a court issued warrant to boot.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:37 pm to Bard
Any attempt to take property away from someone without their consent is wrong. Whether it's for public or private use is irrelevant.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:37 pm to Revelator
this thread should be combined with the "is it illegal to be in this country without papers". Those who feel that people from other countries are just as entitled to economic advantages of the US are the same people who believe the government has the right the take private property from citizens.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:41 pm to CITWTT
quote:If I were EVER to get involved in politics.....overturning property taxes would at the top of my agenda and replace it with a consumption tax.
Property taxes do it as well, they are your annual rent fees from the govt., you no pay see who shows up at your door armed and with a court issued warrant to boot
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:44 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Any attempt to take property away from someone without their consent is wrong. Whether it's for public or private use is irrelevant.
Not under the Constitution.
But in any event, Kelo was a terrible decision.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:45 pm to Revelator
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Unfortunately when the government has unlimited power and resources, the common man stands little chance of winning.
Actually the backlash from Kelo has caused state governments to actually strengthen the limits on eminent domain.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:47 pm to dante
Is there any state or locality that doesn't have a property tax?
To me that is what a property tax basically is but they don't have a way of actually assigning your rate of consumption for govt services. to me at least property taxes force all owners to have skin in the game for a local area.
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replace it with a consumption tax.
To me that is what a property tax basically is but they don't have a way of actually assigning your rate of consumption for govt services. to me at least property taxes force all owners to have skin in the game for a local area.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:55 pm to Revelator
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entitled to seize, in a process known as eminent domain, the homes and businesses of Kelo, the Cristofaros, and five other nearby property owners in the name of “economic development” that would generate “new jobs and increased revenue,”
How do you think they're getting the land for the Keystone Pipeline?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:58 pm to SpidermanTUba
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How do you think they're getting the land for the Keystone Pipeline?
I doubt they are actually seizing the property. It's like power lines running over your property.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:04 pm to C
quote:Not that I am aware of.
Is there any state or locality that doesn't have a property tax?
My biggest problem with property tax is it can actually force retired people with no income to sell their homes or land.
A half million dollar piece of property is taxed every year based on the value...determined by the local government. Yet $500,000 worth of stock is only taxed on dividends, not the total value of the stock. I know this is an apple to orange comparison but it makes my point. Why not tax property on the buy and sale just like stock?
quote:I think the number of dependents is actually a better gauge of public service consumption rather than property owned. Why should someone with no kids pay more for education than someone with 4 kids?
have a way of actually assigning your rate of consumption for govt services
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:07 pm to dante
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Why not tax property on the buy and sale just like stock?
I could get behind this. I shudder to think what this would be in a high property tax state like TX...
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I think the number of dependents is actually a better gauge of public service consumption rather than property owned. Why should someone with no kids pay more for education than someone with 4 kids?
Talk about turning tax law on its head. we currently give deduction for larger families... But again I agree.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:08 pm to C
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I doubt they are actually seizing the property. It's like power lines running over your property.
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PARIS, Tex. — The Canadian energy company TransCanada can take over land owned by a Texas farmer to build its Keystone XL pipeline, a county judge ruled on Wednesday night. In a 15-word ruling sent from his iPhone, Judge Bill Harris of Lamar County Court at Law upheld TransCanada’s condemnation of a 50-foot strip of land across Julia Trigg Crawford’s pasture here. The pipeline is being built to carry oil to Texas refineries from Canada.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:09 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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In a 15-word ruling sent from his iPhone, Judge Bill Harris
The hell?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:10 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Again, how is that different than power lines running over your property?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:24 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Pipeline companies pay for surface rights and access for ROW's. Some land owners in an attempt to get more money hold-out. When no agreement can be reached between the company and land owner the court steps in. Utility companies I believe actually have more authority/power than pipelines when these matters come up.
How do you think they're getting the land for the Keystone Pipeline?
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