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IYO, will AD be greater for this franchise and this city than CP3
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:52 pm
was (particularly when CP was healthy and in his prime here). I say yes. Which means alot because CP is a HOFer and did great things for the city off the court as well.
But in this day and age you have to build around your young players. Consistent losing or not contending will eventually lead them to testing the FA market. So I hope we learned from the CP era (though I know we tried to bring in guys to make CP happy) so Davis retires a Pel
But in this day and age you have to build around your young players. Consistent losing or not contending will eventually lead them to testing the FA market. So I hope we learned from the CP era (though I know we tried to bring in guys to make CP happy) so Davis retires a Pel
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:58 pm to oncealurker
quote:without a doubt yes
IYO, will AD be greater for this franchise and this city than CP3
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:58 pm to oncealurker
CP3 made the team exciting again after that 4-year abyss of Speedy Claxton, Lee Nailon, Katrina, OKC. He then turned in a MVP performance (he got robbed) and nearly led this team to a Western Conference Title. Before Worldwide Wes and CJ Paul fricked with his head about leaving for a bigger market, CP promoted the city with enthusiasm and was just an overall good guy that was very approachable.
At this point, it's almost unfair to ask that question of AD. I would be ecstatic if that does become the case, but CP3 and NOLA meshed PERFECTLY for the first 4 years he was here.
At this point, it's almost unfair to ask that question of AD. I would be ecstatic if that does become the case, but CP3 and NOLA meshed PERFECTLY for the first 4 years he was here.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:00 pm to oncealurker
AD is nowhere near where CP3 was. If AD stays long term then he will eventually surpass CP3. I think when he gets on his second contract with the Pels he will approach CP3 levels in this city. But he's already more important to the franchise than CP was. CP3 crippled this team when he left, keeping AD here will ensure the long-term success of the franchise. I think fans are cautious with AD because they don't want a repeat of the CP3 situation. Sign a contract extension and he will own the city, basketball-wise
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:01 pm to Broski
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At this point, it's almost unfair to ask that question of AD. I would be ecstatic if that does become the case, but CP3 and NOLA meshed PERFECTLY for the first 4 years he was here.
Oh definitely. I dont think its a clear cut answer like some may think. I think its a legitimate thing to ask because of AD's potential but I do see why one would say it would not be fair to ask
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:07 pm to oncealurker
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I think its a legitimate thing to ask because of AD's potential but I do see why one would say it would not be fair to ask
Because if, for whatever reason, AD puts up legit numbers at his position (like he is doing right now), but the team doesn't have the similar type success as the CP3 era, he should not be judged accordingly.
It should be noted that CP3 was EXACTLY what the Hornets needed then. He tied everything (Peja signing, Chandler trade, West coming into his own) together perfectly.
AD came into a team that is still trying to find an identity.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:09 pm to oncealurker
Hard to say
He's infinitely more likeable as a human being, so there's that
He's infinitely more likeable as a human being, so there's that
Posted on 2/5/14 at 7:04 am to danman6336
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Hard to say
He's infinitely more likeable as a human being, so there's that
CP3 and Jada are actually very likeable, IRL. In fact, Jada was doing business in town within the last couple of weeks. CP3 gets a bad rap in that department.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 7:57 am to oncealurker
CP3 got injured and left. Maybe nothing would have stopped his leaving since he had so many people in his ear wanting to exploit him in LA, but you have to wonder how things play out if he never gets injured. Would he have been capable of taking the team to at least the Conference finals largely on his own? LeBron dragged Cleveland to the Finals. He still eventually left, but the Cavs did a bad job of building around him. Yeah we're homers, but many of us are starting to think of AD in a potential GOAT context, so why can't he drag Ryno, Jrue and Reke to the Finals in 3 years?
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 7:59 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 8:35 am to TigerinATL
no way
Posted on 2/5/14 at 8:44 am to oncealurker
without CP, there would be no basketball in NOLA right now
Posted on 2/5/14 at 8:49 am to TigerinATL
Spot on, naturally. Paul and James bolted because their ownership did a poor job of building around them. When Paul got hurt, he couldn't cover the flaws of the roster all the time like before.
If they manage things right, I dont see why Davis wouldn't stay. The NBA can market stars.
Durant will be an interesting test in a couple of years. The new CBA incentivizes guys to hit UFA, even if they can get the extra year/$. Rumblings that he will leave, but the way they have bounced back post Harden is astounding
If they manage things right, I dont see why Davis wouldn't stay. The NBA can market stars.
Durant will be an interesting test in a couple of years. The new CBA incentivizes guys to hit UFA, even if they can get the extra year/$. Rumblings that he will leave, but the way they have bounced back post Harden is astounding
Posted on 2/5/14 at 8:56 am to corndeaux
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Spot on, naturally. Paul and James bolted because their ownership did a poor job of building around them. When Paul got hurt, he couldn't cover the flaws of the roster all the time like before.
If they manage things right, I dont see why Davis wouldn't stay. The NBA can market stars.
The thing is, because of AD, it's not like the Pelicans have to attract a second actual superstar (in spite of the argument that you need two). Really, they need a solid, more versatile and dependable upgrade at the 3. A banger, with some athleticism, at the 5 who can avoid fouling out within 5 minutes.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 10:09 am to oncealurker
Tough to say. As far as basketball related, I believe AD can bring this team to new heights. At 20 years old, he is already a legit top 10 player in the league (The homer in me wants to say top 5). He will be easier to build around than a PG centric team a la CP3. We already have AD and Jrue for the near future, a great supporting cast, just no health this season.
As far as the city related topic, everything has already been said of how great CP3 embraced the city and the city loved him back. AD is TBD, but seems like he has the personality and likeability where he can do the same.
Future is bright sons.
As far as the city related topic, everything has already been said of how great CP3 embraced the city and the city loved him back. AD is TBD, but seems like he has the personality and likeability where he can do the same.
Future is bright sons.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:28 pm to oncealurker
Yes.... players like AD are rare. More rare than PGs like CP3.
Plus, AD isnt a douche.
Plus, AD isnt a douche.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:43 pm to oncealurker
Let's let him pass Ryno first, pal.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:47 pm to KG5989
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Yes.... players like AD are rare. More rare than PGs like CP3.
What does that even mean?
CP3 is already one of the best PGs to ever play the game and he is only 28 years old.
I mean, AD is great. But cmon. Funny how people forget what CP3 on and off the court when he was here.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:01 pm to GynoSandberg
The question was
As great as CP was, his decision to leave left us in shambles. If AD sticks it out, he could certainly impact the city more than CP.
Its a fair question.
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IYO, will AD be greater for this franchise and this city than CP3
As great as CP was, his decision to leave left us in shambles. If AD sticks it out, he could certainly impact the city more than CP.
Its a fair question.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:02 pm to oncealurker
For the franchise? I think so. I'm gonna assume more a single second round playoff berth for AD.
Also, no fault of CP3's, but great big men just have the ability to control and impact a game in so many more ways that lead to wins(or losses), than a 6ft PG. I say 6ft PG because Magic is the exception. Then there's Isiah Thomas as that one small guard in the history of the league to lead his team to a championship.
Davis obviously isn't there yet, but if you could choose a generational big man or a generational PG, you'd go big man 100% of the time. NBA history has proven that to be an easy choice.
For the city? Thats tougher. The circumstances then were so unique, that it would be really hard to find a context in which the city would be that in need of someone like and Paul and that Saints season.
Also, no fault of CP3's, but great big men just have the ability to control and impact a game in so many more ways that lead to wins(or losses), than a 6ft PG. I say 6ft PG because Magic is the exception. Then there's Isiah Thomas as that one small guard in the history of the league to lead his team to a championship.
Davis obviously isn't there yet, but if you could choose a generational big man or a generational PG, you'd go big man 100% of the time. NBA history has proven that to be an easy choice.
For the city? Thats tougher. The circumstances then were so unique, that it would be really hard to find a context in which the city would be that in need of someone like and Paul and that Saints season.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:20 pm to eyeran
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For the city? Thats tougher. The circumstances then were so unique, that it would be really hard to find a context in which the city would be that in need of someone like and Paul and that Saints season
This is a good point.
I didn't really consider the needs of the city when CP was here.
But as far as economic success of the franchise and its impact on the city, AD is one of the most likeable NBA guys that I can think of. I think fans enjoy his type of production a lot more than CP's.
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