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who do the patriots draft this year in the first round?
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:05 pm
Does belichick finally spend a #1 on a reciever or will he spend it on some 3rd down pass rusher or 2 down linebacker. I think marquise lee would be a great pick for them if he falls that far.
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Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:07 pm to cfbfan#1
Trade down
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:11 pm to cfbfan#1
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marquise lee
Highly doubt he falls that far. Could be wrong though
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:12 pm to cfbfan#1
They will be active this offseason and do their regular deal in the draft
They've been pretty terrible at drafting receivers, assuming you don't count Gronk & murderer. I guess Dobson had a decent year this year
They've been pretty terrible at drafting receivers, assuming you don't count Gronk & murderer. I guess Dobson had a decent year this year
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:13 pm to cfbfan#1
Im really excited about Dobson.
Give me a pass rushing DT, or a Strong Safety, or a seam stretching TE to bring back the 2 TE system
Give me a pass rushing DT, or a Strong Safety, or a seam stretching TE to bring back the 2 TE system
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:15 pm to wildtigercat93
you cant rely on gronk to be healthy hes gotten hurt each of the last 3 years and missed the last 2 afc title games. They need to get an outside guy, edelman is a slot reciever and so it amendola and dobson at time couldnt catch a cold
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:20 pm to cfbfan#1
Dobson struggled early with drops because he wasnt confident in the playbook
He showed massive improvement throughout the season and got slowed down by a foot injury. His future is bright, with good development hes a legit #1 WR and the Pats have a good history of their players making a big leap in year 2
If they want another guy to be the #1 it will be someone through free agency or a trade, not another young WR that will struggle with the playbook
He showed massive improvement throughout the season and got slowed down by a foot injury. His future is bright, with good development hes a legit #1 WR and the Pats have a good history of their players making a big leap in year 2
If they want another guy to be the #1 it will be someone through free agency or a trade, not another young WR that will struggle with the playbook
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 4:57 pm to cfbfan#1
I think Dobson is a good WR. But they still need some more help.
But the Pats are 1 of the few times that pass the ball from the inside out. Meaning Bradys primary WRs are TEs and slot WRs. But, then again, they havent had a really good split out WR since Moss.
But Bill and the Pats are always a crapshoot on draft day. No idea if they trade up or down, take a random guy or BPA. But, this is also 1 of the first years where they need offensive weapons. And Brady isnt getting any younger. He needs a dynamic WR to help him as he gets older. He needs playmakers out there, not just guys that fit the system like Edelman. Rarely do you see Brady just throw a jump ball to anybody not named Gronk. And who knows how healthy he will be. They need guys that can go up and make plays over DBs. The Saints do too.
If I was them, Id be aiming for Kelvin Benjamin from FSU. 6'5 230lbs WR that can go up and make plays. Or Jordan Matthews from Vandy. Think he would be a great fit. And both very well could be available in the late 1st round. Or if they like Dobsons development and feel comfortable with him as their WR of the future and dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a WR, try and trade up into the mid 2nd round and take a guy like Jarvis Landry. Think he would also be a great fit for them.
The Pats do have a good amount of young DL that look promising, and DBs. I was really impressed with Logan Ryan this year. But if they dont sign Talib, they have to address the CB spot early on in this draft. When Talib was off the field, they were a completely diff D.
But the Pats are 1 of the few times that pass the ball from the inside out. Meaning Bradys primary WRs are TEs and slot WRs. But, then again, they havent had a really good split out WR since Moss.
But Bill and the Pats are always a crapshoot on draft day. No idea if they trade up or down, take a random guy or BPA. But, this is also 1 of the first years where they need offensive weapons. And Brady isnt getting any younger. He needs a dynamic WR to help him as he gets older. He needs playmakers out there, not just guys that fit the system like Edelman. Rarely do you see Brady just throw a jump ball to anybody not named Gronk. And who knows how healthy he will be. They need guys that can go up and make plays over DBs. The Saints do too.
If I was them, Id be aiming for Kelvin Benjamin from FSU. 6'5 230lbs WR that can go up and make plays. Or Jordan Matthews from Vandy. Think he would be a great fit. And both very well could be available in the late 1st round. Or if they like Dobsons development and feel comfortable with him as their WR of the future and dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a WR, try and trade up into the mid 2nd round and take a guy like Jarvis Landry. Think he would also be a great fit for them.
The Pats do have a good amount of young DL that look promising, and DBs. I was really impressed with Logan Ryan this year. But if they dont sign Talib, they have to address the CB spot early on in this draft. When Talib was off the field, they were a completely diff D.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:12 pm to KG5989
I just find it funny yall think another rookie will do any better immediately. If they go and get Brady another outside WR, itll be an established guy
Theyll sign talib. Franchised at worst
Love the potential of D though, theres sooo much talent. And excuse me while i go fap to Jamie Collins playoff tape for the billionth time
Theyll sign talib. Franchised at worst
Love the potential of D though, theres sooo much talent. And excuse me while i go fap to Jamie Collins playoff tape for the billionth time
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:38 pm to wildtigercat93
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I just find it funny yall think another rookie will do any better immediately. If they go and get Brady another outside WR, itll be an established guy
That is the best case scenario, and at the same time pretty unlikely. You have to look at the WR FAs this year, and the cap room that the Pats have. The top guys that are FAs this year will want top $$$, and the Pats cant afford that. And thats also not what Belichick does. As of now, the Pats have $6.67mill to spend. But, they also have 10 FAs, 6 of them starters. Talib, Spikes, Edelman, Blount, and Hoomanawanui are all FAs. And Talib, Spikes, Edelman, and Blount are guys they need to keep. It would be easier to draft a WR and sign some of those guys than it would be to let Spikes, Edelman, and Blount walk and try to replace them through the draft. Especially Edelman and Spikes. Amendola cant stay healthy, and even if he would I still think Edelman > Amendola. And Spikes is 1 of their best players on D. And a great run stopper.
Boldin, James Jones, Maclin, Nicks, Emmanuel Sanders, and Kenny Britt are the top 2014 UFA WRs. Boldin isnt the type of WR they need and is also getting up there in age and isnt nearly as explosive as he used to be. Still productive and a good WR, but not the type of WR I would go after if I was the Pats. Nicks wants top $$$. Doubt they go after him. Maclin is coming off an ACL tear and I dont think he leaves Philly. Nor do I think James Jones leaves Green Bay.
The 1 guy I could see them going after is Kenny Britt. Supremely talented and wont have to break the bank to get him. Plus, Belichick has a history of signing guys with off the field issues at a cheap price. So I could see them going after Britt. He fits the type of WR they need and would be getting his cheap compared to his talent.
Plus, if you draft a young WR in the 1st or 2nd young its not like you are just drafting him for Brady. What happens when Brady leaves? They let Mallett or some other young, inexperienced QB take over with 0 offensive weapons? Not the best idea to do.
You are essentially drafting a young stud WR to help Brady in his last few years, and also to give the QB that takes over after Brady a stud, big target WR that can go up and help plays. You are drafting him to better the team, not just for Brady.
And its not like Brady only has 1 more season left and then its over. He has , at the minimum, 3 years left. Plenty of type to develop a young stud WR to help Brady out as he gets older. And if Benjamin or Matthews is as good as expected, it wont take them too long to get acclimated to the NFL game. Especially Matthews. I think hes ready to contribute from day 1 and hes the type of person and player that Belichick and the Pats love. Hard worker, no nonsense, and reliable.
They dont have the cap space to sign a FA WR like Nicks to a big contract. And theres not that many good FA WRs this year too. Kenny Britt is interesting for the Pats. But thats pretty much it. I see them drafting a WR.
And yea the potential of the D is awesome. Jamie Collins
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:44 pm to cfbfan#1
This is literally the worst year I can ever think of to draft a WR in the first round. IMO the drop off from guys you can get in the 1st round and guys you can get in the 3rd or 4th round isnt worth it.
I think Jarvis Landry would be a better fit for the Pats than Marquise Lee and he'll be available in the third.
I think Jarvis Landry would be a better fit for the Pats than Marquise Lee and he'll be available in the third.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 5:47 pm to JG77056
It may seem idiotic right now, but I think they should go TE. Start another 2 TE tandem with Gronk. I think the WR's are decent enough to where they won't need another one atm.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:02 pm to cfbfan#1
David Yankey. Mankins won't be around forever.
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:21 pm to JG77056
I agree that this is 1 of the most loaded WR draft classes to ever come out. And I agree that the drop off from a 2nd rounder to a 4th / 5th rounder isnt that much. But there is a drop off from the top 5 WRs (1st round locks) to the WRs ranked 7-12 or so. Sammy Watkins, Kelvin Benjamin, Mike Evans, Lee, Matthews, and potentially Allen Robinson are all on a diff level than the other WRs. Either because of their size, speed, physical play, ability to make play after the catch, etc. There are reasons why those guys are considered to be the best in the draft by pretty much every scout, media outlet, etc. They are game changers that can dominate at the WR position.
And the other WRs are still damn good and some of them would be considered 1st round locks in most other drafts. But this draft class is loaded with WRs. And its loaded because there are 5, potentially 6, game changers at the top of the WR position.
And I agree Landry would be a better fit for the Pats than Lee. But I dont see them taking Lee, nor do I think he will be available. Considering Brady is getting older and losing a bit on his deep ball, it wouldnt make sense for them to take Lee, who is widely considered as a deep ball, speedster type of guy. In the right system though, Lee will be a game changer. Which is why I see the Lions taking him with their 1st round pick.
But, for the 1st time in a long time for the Pats, its not about getting a guy that "fits their system". Its about getting a talented WR with good size that can go up and make a play over a DB. The only guy on the Pats roster that has proven to do that is Gronk. And nobody knows if / when he will be available and nobody knows what he will be like when he returns. For the 1st time in a while the Pats need a playmaker at the WR spot.
Thats why I think they will have their eyes on Benjamin and Matthews, and potentially Robinson. At the moment, Benjamin could possibly be available when the Pats draft in the 1st round. But I also could see his stock improving if he has a good combine or if he just posts a great 40 time. Could be a top 20 pick. Matthews should be there for them. And I consider Matthews the 2nd best WR in the draft behind Sammy Watkins. No he wont run a great 40 time. And hes not an explosive freak like Watkins is. But, when it comes time to play football with pads on hes the best. Good size, great hands, great route running, very physical, can go and make plays over DBs, and the most important thing IMO is that Matthews is as RELIABLE as they come and wants the ball. What he has done at Vandy, and the lack of QB talent he has had, against SEC opponents is truly amazing. Especially when you consider the fact that opposing defenses sold out to stop him. Its not like Vandy has a plethora of offensive playmakers. Matthews probably saw the most double teams out of all WRs in the SEC. And still outproduced all of them, and was arguably the biggest difference maker at the WR spot in the entire country. Without Matthews, there is no way Vandy wins more than 5 games. Hes eerie similar to Reggie Wayne on the field IMO.
And the other WRs are still damn good and some of them would be considered 1st round locks in most other drafts. But this draft class is loaded with WRs. And its loaded because there are 5, potentially 6, game changers at the top of the WR position.
And I agree Landry would be a better fit for the Pats than Lee. But I dont see them taking Lee, nor do I think he will be available. Considering Brady is getting older and losing a bit on his deep ball, it wouldnt make sense for them to take Lee, who is widely considered as a deep ball, speedster type of guy. In the right system though, Lee will be a game changer. Which is why I see the Lions taking him with their 1st round pick.
But, for the 1st time in a long time for the Pats, its not about getting a guy that "fits their system". Its about getting a talented WR with good size that can go up and make a play over a DB. The only guy on the Pats roster that has proven to do that is Gronk. And nobody knows if / when he will be available and nobody knows what he will be like when he returns. For the 1st time in a while the Pats need a playmaker at the WR spot.
Thats why I think they will have their eyes on Benjamin and Matthews, and potentially Robinson. At the moment, Benjamin could possibly be available when the Pats draft in the 1st round. But I also could see his stock improving if he has a good combine or if he just posts a great 40 time. Could be a top 20 pick. Matthews should be there for them. And I consider Matthews the 2nd best WR in the draft behind Sammy Watkins. No he wont run a great 40 time. And hes not an explosive freak like Watkins is. But, when it comes time to play football with pads on hes the best. Good size, great hands, great route running, very physical, can go and make plays over DBs, and the most important thing IMO is that Matthews is as RELIABLE as they come and wants the ball. What he has done at Vandy, and the lack of QB talent he has had, against SEC opponents is truly amazing. Especially when you consider the fact that opposing defenses sold out to stop him. Its not like Vandy has a plethora of offensive playmakers. Matthews probably saw the most double teams out of all WRs in the SEC. And still outproduced all of them, and was arguably the biggest difference maker at the WR spot in the entire country. Without Matthews, there is no way Vandy wins more than 5 games. Hes eerie similar to Reggie Wayne on the field IMO.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:22 pm to KG5989
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the best case scenario, and at the same time pretty unlikely. You have to look at the WR FAs this year, and the cap room that the Pats have. The top guys that are FAs this year will want top $$$, and the Pats cant afford that. And thats also not what Belichick does. As of now, the Pats have $6.67mill to spend. But, they also have 10 FAs, 6 of them starters
I never said it was likely. Just that its more likely than them taking a WR in the 1st and expecting him to be their #1 WR on the outside
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Talib, Spikes, Edelman, Blount, and Hoomanawanui are all FA
Spikes is deffinitly gone and easily replaced with Hightower moving inside and Collins out. Edleman and Talib will be resigned. Hooman and Blount will be cheap if resigned
I think you overrate Spikes by a good margin. Hes a two down thumper in a passing league. Love his attitude, but his production is not hard to replace
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Boldin, James Jones, Maclin, Nicks, Emmanuel Sanders, and Kenny Britt are the top 2014 UFA WRs. Boldin isnt the type of WR they need and is also getting up there in age and isnt nearly as explosive as he used to be. Still productive and a good WR, but not the type of WR I would go after if I was the Pats. Nicks wants top $$$. Doubt they go after him. Maclin is coming off an ACL tear and I dont think he leaves Philly. Nor do I think James Jones leaves Green Bay. The 1 guy I could see them going after is Kenny Britt. Supremely talented and wont have to break the bank to get him. Plus, Belichick has a history of signing guys with off the field issues at a cheap price. So I could see them going after Britt. He fits the type of WR they need and would be getting his cheap compared to his talent.
Boldin is exactly the type of WR the Pats need but hes got some real butthurt about the Pats for some reason so that wont happen
Nicks would be cheaper than you think. His market will be slow because he lost a lot of production. I would take a chance on him but i wouldnt commit to him longer than a "prove it" deal
I dont want Britt. Hes a lost cause
I like Sanders a lot but only if Bill cut Amendola (which is possible) but i think hell be overpaid this year and not ny the Pats
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Plus, if you draft a young WR in the 1st or 2nd young its not like you are just drafting him for Brady. What happens when Brady leaves? They let Mallett or some other young, inexperienced QB take over with 0 offensive weapons? Not the best idea to do. You are essentially drafting a young stud WR to help Brady in his last few years, and also to give the QB that takes over after Brady a stud, big target WR that can go up and help plays. You are drafting him to better the team, not just for Brady. And its not like Brady only has 1 more season left and then its over. He has , at the minimum, 3 years left. Plenty of type to develop a young stud WR to help Brady out as he gets older. And if Benjamin or Matthews is as good as expected, it wont take them too long to get acclimated to the NFL game. Especially Matthews. I think hes ready to contribute from day 1 and hes the type of person and player that Belichick and the Pats love. Hard worker, no nonsense, and reliable.
All of these things apply to Dobson. That has a year in the system and more chemistry with Brady. They have more pressing needs than developing a WR for whoever Bradys successor is when they already have 3 in house options for that (Dobson boyce and Kenbrel). Like you said they have plenty of time with Brady
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But thats pretty much it. I see them drafting a WR.
Then you dont know how the Pats operate. They had less than they have now and they still didnt draft a WR til their second 2nd on the guy you already want to replace for some reason. Its just not very logical
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:25 pm to Braedan
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It may seem idiotic right now, but I think they should go TE. Start another 2 TE tandem with Gronk. I think the WR's are decent enough to where they won't need another one atm.
Nahh its pretty logical at this point. Most think thats what they want to do
Its funny now because some guy drafted a TE for the Pats in last years Mock draft we did on this board and we laughed at him. Apparently that fricking was a goddamn prophet
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:39 pm to KG5989
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talented WR with good size that can go up and make a play over a DB
Thats literally Dobsons specialty
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:40 pm to wildtigercat93
They need a complimentary "big target" that can move to go opposite Gronk.
Mike Evans or Jace Amaro come to mind, Amaro being more the inside guy which the Pats tend to lean towards
Mike Evans or Jace Amaro come to mind, Amaro being more the inside guy which the Pats tend to lean towards
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:43 pm to KG5989
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And I consider Matthews the 2nd best WR in the draft behind Sammy Watkins. No he wont run a great 40 time. And hes not an explosive freak like Watkins is. But, when it comes time to play football with pads on hes the best. Good size, great hands, great route running, very physical, can go and make plays over DBs, and the most important thing IMO is that Matthews is as RELIABLE as they come and wants the ball.
You just described Jarvis Landry
Posted on 1/31/14 at 6:54 pm to wildtigercat93
I wouldnt say Spikes is easily replaceable. And I think you undervalue him, while I might overvalue him a bit. PFF has Spikes ranked at the #6 ILB in the league. And the best run stopping MLB in the game. A MLBs job is to 1st stop the run. And the Pats have known this. Which is why Spikes rarely plays in passing situations. And isnt Belichick a huge fan of Spikes? I agree that Hightower is good and Collins should develop into a nightmare on the outside. But I just think Spikes is 1 of the 3 most impactful players on the Pats D along with Chandler Jones and Talib. When you take 1of those guys off the field the D is completely diff, and not in a good way. I think a LB core of Hightower and Collins at OLB and Spikes at the MLB is flat out nasty.
Im a huge Boldin fan. And think hes an extremely underrated WR in the league. Hes awesome. But, at this point of his career, I dont think hes what the Pats are looking for. They need a guy that can beat single coverage on the outside and make plays over DBs. Boldin was that type of player a few years ago. But now he does his best work against zones and in the middle of the field.
And Nicks might be cheaper, but hes a $$$ whore and will go to the highest bidder. And the Pats dont have the room to give him the contract he wants and most likely will get.
I agree with what you said about Sanders. Most likely stays in Pitt.
But Kenny Britt is the type of player that Belichick takes a shot on. Hes done it a lot in the past and most of the time it turns out to be a great move. Hes 1 of the few coaches, or the only coach, that seems to be able to corral players with off the field issues and turns them into very productive players and revives their careers. Im not saying the Pats should go after him, but they could sign him cheap and hes a very talented WR. If Belichick can work his magic, he could turn him back into a big time WR. Not saying they will or should, but I do think its something interesting to watch.
I agree that its not typical of them to take a skill player early on due to their system. But this is also the 1st year in a while that their lack of weapons as the skill positions are evident. Gronk is usually their rock, and Im a huge Gronk fan, but you cant rely on him to be there. And who said anything about replacing Dobson? In my 1st post in here I said: if they like Dobsons development and feel comfortable with him as their WR of the future and dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a WR, try and trade up into the mid 2nd round and take a guy like Jarvis Landry. Think he would also be a great fit for them. But even if Dobson develops and becomes the type of WR that they need, they still need help at other skill player spots. Dobson and Edelman would be the top 2 guys. I like KT and think he could be alright. But Boyce barely saw the field this year. And the Pats arguably had the most injured WRs and TEs in the entire league. Edelman, Amendola, Gronk, Dobson, Vereen, and KT all were banged up this year. And the top pass catchers on the team in Gronk, Amendola, and Dobson were injured for a decent period of time. Its not a good sign that Boyce couldnt play over Austin Collie. Talented guy. But weird that he barely played at WR considering all the injuries the Pats had.
Im not discounting Dobson at all. Youre putting words in my mouth and acting like I said anything negative about Dobson. I didnt. In fact i said the opposite. But this is fun wildtigercat, we usually agree on most things so its not to get into a good debate with you over this
Love Jarvis. Think hes a better WR than OBJ by a decent margin, but OBJ gets more hype due to his "big play ability" even though Jarvis is the better WR. Late 2nd round, Jarvis will be a steal. But Matthews > Jarvis. And Jarvis is 1 of my all time fav LSU players, as he is for most people. But Matthews is just better. They are very similar players though, I agree. But just think Matthews is better and can beat an NFL DB 1v1 better than Jarvis will be able to and is more of a deep ball or big play threat than Jarvis is. And Matthews has the size to be a true "X" WR, or a teams #1. Jarvis will be a great #2 WR . Great complimentary WR. But I dont see him being a teams #1 option in the passing game at the next level.
Im a huge Boldin fan. And think hes an extremely underrated WR in the league. Hes awesome. But, at this point of his career, I dont think hes what the Pats are looking for. They need a guy that can beat single coverage on the outside and make plays over DBs. Boldin was that type of player a few years ago. But now he does his best work against zones and in the middle of the field.
And Nicks might be cheaper, but hes a $$$ whore and will go to the highest bidder. And the Pats dont have the room to give him the contract he wants and most likely will get.
I agree with what you said about Sanders. Most likely stays in Pitt.
But Kenny Britt is the type of player that Belichick takes a shot on. Hes done it a lot in the past and most of the time it turns out to be a great move. Hes 1 of the few coaches, or the only coach, that seems to be able to corral players with off the field issues and turns them into very productive players and revives their careers. Im not saying the Pats should go after him, but they could sign him cheap and hes a very talented WR. If Belichick can work his magic, he could turn him back into a big time WR. Not saying they will or should, but I do think its something interesting to watch.
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Then you dont know how the Pats operate. They had less than they have now and they still didnt draft a WR til their second 2nd on the guy you already want to replace for some reason. Its just not very logical
I agree that its not typical of them to take a skill player early on due to their system. But this is also the 1st year in a while that their lack of weapons as the skill positions are evident. Gronk is usually their rock, and Im a huge Gronk fan, but you cant rely on him to be there. And who said anything about replacing Dobson? In my 1st post in here I said: if they like Dobsons development and feel comfortable with him as their WR of the future and dont want to spend a 1st rounder on a WR, try and trade up into the mid 2nd round and take a guy like Jarvis Landry. Think he would also be a great fit for them. But even if Dobson develops and becomes the type of WR that they need, they still need help at other skill player spots. Dobson and Edelman would be the top 2 guys. I like KT and think he could be alright. But Boyce barely saw the field this year. And the Pats arguably had the most injured WRs and TEs in the entire league. Edelman, Amendola, Gronk, Dobson, Vereen, and KT all were banged up this year. And the top pass catchers on the team in Gronk, Amendola, and Dobson were injured for a decent period of time. Its not a good sign that Boyce couldnt play over Austin Collie. Talented guy. But weird that he barely played at WR considering all the injuries the Pats had.
Im not discounting Dobson at all. Youre putting words in my mouth and acting like I said anything negative about Dobson. I didnt. In fact i said the opposite. But this is fun wildtigercat, we usually agree on most things so its not to get into a good debate with you over this
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You just described Jarvis Landry
Love Jarvis. Think hes a better WR than OBJ by a decent margin, but OBJ gets more hype due to his "big play ability" even though Jarvis is the better WR. Late 2nd round, Jarvis will be a steal. But Matthews > Jarvis. And Jarvis is 1 of my all time fav LSU players, as he is for most people. But Matthews is just better. They are very similar players though, I agree. But just think Matthews is better and can beat an NFL DB 1v1 better than Jarvis will be able to and is more of a deep ball or big play threat than Jarvis is. And Matthews has the size to be a true "X" WR, or a teams #1. Jarvis will be a great #2 WR . Great complimentary WR. But I dont see him being a teams #1 option in the passing game at the next level.
This post was edited on 1/31/14 at 7:19 pm
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