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Let's Talk About the Farm Bill
Posted by Redfish2010 on 1/29/14 at 12:55 pm00
Ducks Unlimited and Delta Waterfowl seem to both be excited about it.
It's my understanding that it offers some sort is subsidy for farmers. But what does that mean for waterfowl populations and hunters?
It's my understanding that it offers some sort is subsidy for farmers. But what does that mean for waterfowl populations and hunters?
This post was edited on 1/29 at 12:55 pm
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by jimbeam on 1/29/14 at 12:56 pm to Redfish2010
taking away direct payments for rice farmers
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A separate subsidy program would trigger payments when crop prices drop. This is similar to current subsidies, though the new programs would kick in sooner, especially for cotton and rice
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The legislation would eliminate a $4.5 billion-a-year farm subsidy called direct payments, which are paid to farmers whether they farm or not. The bill would continue to heavily subsidize major crops — corn, soybeans, wheat, rice and cotton — while shifting many of those subsidies toward more politically defensible insurance programs. That means farmers would have to incur losses before they received a payout.
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re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by Huntinguy on 1/29/14 at 1:21 pm to Redfish2010
They are probably excited about the conservation provisions for things like CRP, WRP and CREP.
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by DonChowder on 1/29/14 at 1:42 pm to jimbeam
quote:Waiting to hear your take on this.
jimbeam
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by jimbeam on 1/29/14 at 1:44 pm to DonChowder
The second quote in my first post sums it up.
I know a lot of farmers who don't care if subsidies all just go away. Market will correct itself.
I know a lot of farmers who don't care if subsidies all just go away. Market will correct itself.
quote:That would be the landowners, who are often legislators.
The same farmers bitching about ObamaCare and welfare while taking a shite load of government money themselves.
Buncha hypocrite fricks.
I know even after we'd converted all our crop land to cattle we were still receiving 14K for some land we still had rice base on...and that's peanuts compared to some cases. Ours was only 100 acres.
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re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by prostyleoffensetime on 1/29/14 at 2:05 pm to JayWall
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The same farmers bitching about ObamaCare and welfare while taking a shite load of government money themselves.
Buncha hypocrite fricks.
I'd love to know what percentage of costs some people think subsidies cover. Just to get a gauge on how much they know or don't know about the business side of it.
FWIW just about all farmers can handle losing the subsidies. Landowners might get upset though. Land prices are the easiest to manipulate in order to adjust for losing subsidies.
eta: This thread took a predictable turn, and, of course, I have nothing to contribute to the original question.
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re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by jimbeam on 1/29/14 at 2:07 pm to prostyleoffensetime
It's about 85%. I'm about to go drop a milli on a new combine or 2. All you have to do is drive tractors and make da green!!
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JayWall
C'Mon Jay, gubmint cheese is OK as long as it is directed to giant agribusiness, corporations, the health care industry and shithole countries that hate us. It's only bad when given to the poors. Don't bring that hippie Kalifornia libruhlism onto the OB!
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by JayWall on 1/29/14 at 2:11 pm to prostyleoffensetime
So what I gather is subsidies aren't really needed.
Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.
Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by prostyleoffensetime on 1/29/14 at 2:16 pm to JayWall
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So what I gather is subsidies aren't really needed.
Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.
No, in today's farming world, they are not needed to operate... Well, I'm not going to speak in absolutes and make broad generalizations like people tend to do when talking about farmers, but no, we do not need subsidies to operate on the specific farm I manage.
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by jimbeam on 1/29/14 at 2:40 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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The 2014 Farm Bill includes the conservation and sporting community’s top priorities of re-coupling conservation compliance to crop insurance and a Sodsaver program affecting top duck producing states of Iowa, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota and South Dakota.
“This is a big win for conservation and for working farmers and ranchers. The conservation programs authorized and funded through the farm bill are the backbone of Ducks Unlimited conservation work on private lands, and they have just been strengthened by the inclusion of our top priorities,” said DU CEO Dale Hall. “It has been a long road of compromise to get to this point, and DU congratulates Chairman Lucas and Ranking Member Peterson on the major accomplishment of passing the 2014 Farm Bill.”
More than 70 percent of the nation’s original native grasslands and 50 percent of wetlands have already been lost. Conservation provisions included in the 2014 Farm Bill are designed to encourage the conservation of our nation’s remaining wetlands and grasslands, which help keep our waters clean, prevent soil erosion and provide vital habitat for waterfowl and other wildlife.
“We also appreciate the leadership of Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader Pelosi in shepherding this farm bill that is so important to all citizens to a strong bipartisan vote on House passage. We look forward to expedited consideration by the Senate and bipartisan passage there,” said Hall.
look at those big bad farmers taking all that money
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by Redfish2010 on 1/29/14 at 2:44 pm to jimbeam
Still none of the means anything to me.
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by DonChowder on 1/29/14 at 2:56 pm to JayWall
quote:Your taxes have never been well spent.
Wonderful. I'm so glad my taxes are being well spent.
re: Let's Talk About the Farm BillPosted by Tigah in the ATL on 1/29/14 at 3:31 pm to prostyleoffensetime
quote:how about I don't care. Welfare is welfare.
I'd love to know what percentage of costs some people think subsidies cover.
Out of my pocket and into a farmer's.
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