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Question about the viability of the 2nd Amendment?

Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:43 am
Posted by Upperaltiger06
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:43 am
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


How effective could an independent militia formed by citizens be against an organized military with an incomparably superior arsenal? With the limitations of the types of weapons that U.S. citizens can own, could a militia have any reasonable chance of defending itself against an organized military? How would this scenario play out?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:45 am to
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How would this scenario play out?



SEE: Afghanistan
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:46 am to
An insurgency of less than 2% of the population of this country would bring the government to it's knees in less than a year.
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:47 am to
quote:

How effective could an independent militia formed by citizens be against an organized military with an incomparably superior arsenal? With the limitations of the types of weapons that U.S. citizens can own, could a militia have any reasonable chance of defending itself against an organized military? How would this scenario play out?


See Afghanistan.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:47 am to
See Red Dawn (original).

The Soviets and Cubans were ruthless. You think member of the US military would act in similar fashion towards citizens?
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:47 am to
It would be a disaster for both sides.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:49 am to
quote:

How would this scenario play out?



One and/or two ways.

1. Guerrilla warfare. That would be the only chance a under armed "militia" could take on "an organized military with an incomparably superior arsenal". Wear them out over 10-20 years.

2. Get the well the "organized military with an incomparably superior arsenal" on your side.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:51 am to
Also add in foreign intervention.

People assume the border will just magically close to arms smuggling should this occur.

ETA: Actually, what most people assume is that gun owners will just sit around in their living rooms waiting do a knock at the door.

On the other side, people assume some type of resistance leadership would appear.

The whole situation would be crippling to everyone.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 9:54 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:53 am to
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An insurgency of less than 2% of the population of this country


I would agree with this. That's over 6 million militia men.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:55 am to
You are assuming that our military would be glad to take arms against its own people

I would imagine most military members except the pro-government drones within would side with the insurgent people
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 9:58 am to
There is a reason there hasn't ever been a country that has invaded the US. That reason is the 2nd Amendment.

The troops are also sworn to uphold the Constitution, which includes the 2nd Amendment.

This is another reason why there is no wavering in discussions of limiting the rights we have under the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:00 am to
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There is a reason there hasn't ever been a country that has invaded the US.



You are incorrect.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:00 am to
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You are assuming that our military would be glad to take arms against its own people

I would imagine most military members except the pro-government drones within would side with the insurgent people


I agree with this, the military holds values and beliefs that closely resembles those of the gun owners in America...
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:01 am to
It wouldn't be like some assume, the local militia fighting a pitched battle against the combined might of the US military.

It would be a campaign of terror and assassination. Many in the military would at the very least be sympathetic to the insurgency, giving intelligence and logistical support, if not active participants. Murders of police and federal law enforcement in their homes at night. Fly a drone for a living? Murdered on your way to work. Can't get to the drone pilot? Blow up the drone factory. Can't blow up the drone factory? Kill the guy who builds the drones and ambush the trucks carrying the drones. Big cities would all fall under martial law. The economy would be almost non existent. It would be devastating and would take decades to recover no matter who one.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:02 am to
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You are incorrect.


Since the country was formed in 1776, no I'm not incorrect. There have not been ground troops on the ground in the US by another country in that time.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:02 am to
quote:

I would imagine most military members except the pro-government drones within would side with the insurgent people



I think you are right.

There will be some people that will fight for their government. That's truly sad. Can you imagine giving up your life for a system of government and its politicians?

There will be others that will fight for their God, land and country which is their family and way of life. I'm pretty sure this is the side the militia and the military defectors will be on.

Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:03 am to
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Since the country was formed in 1776, no I'm not incorrect. There have not been ground troops on the ground in the US by another country in that time.


The War of 1812 says hi.

This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 10:06 am
Posted by Upperaltiger06
North Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:05 am to
quote:

There is a reason there hasn't ever been a country that has invaded the US. That reason is the 2nd Amendment


I'm having my doubts about this. Could you explain?
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:08 am to
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I'm having my doubts about this. Could you explain?


He's wrong and historically illiterate.
Posted by Upperaltiger06
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Posted on 1/29/14 at 10:09 am to
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quote]Question about the viability of the 2nd Amendment? quote: You are incorrect. Since the country was formed in 1776, no I'm not incorrect. There have not been ground troops on the ground in the US by another country in that time.
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