Any experience with Pudelpointer breed?

top pic is a pudelpointer - I think the lower and mid pic is a drathar, wirehair etc - no beard on a pudelpointer. I hunted w a weimeraner - good dog, cant really take the cold but thats ok in TX - get a vest if you want them to watrer retreive. A GSP is another option - lots of GSP folks here.
The longhair continentals stink - they have a very oily coat and not a great house dog fro that reason unless you give em a bath lots. All the dogs are better pointers than retreivers. Some pointers are better retreivers than others - one of the best GSPs I hunted over would point - if bird was shot he would try and let another dog retreive (almost like an english pointer) and start to hunt again. He was a good retreiver he would rather pt

Thanks for the info and the correction on pics.

I guess we will just have to pay close attention to blood line of mother and father to see their attributes for pointing/retrieving.

I like the weimeraner but both my wife and I really have enjoyed being around the families labradoodles. In a few months we are going up to see them Oregon to see them in action and will report back.

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Brittany maybe? They're great all purpose dogs.

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Bad experience with one has turned me off the breed.

I could tell it wasn't the dog as much as the handler but it was enough to give me a bad taste. No disrespect though to any owners.

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With one dog for Texas quail, you want a dog that will cover plenty of ground. Setters, pointers, some lines of shorthairs...

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I agree with you on coverage. According to the breeder**, they work for a long time before tiring out. He was saying the breed has been used for sled dogs in the north.

They just dont seem to be a common breed but the little info/videos/etc seems to be encouraging.

**grain of salt

My thoughts is that certain breeds excel at certain traits... Look hard before you discount these breeds...

Smoke, I had to double-take when I saw your thread. I just picked up my pudelpointer pup last Friday. I did a good deal of research before I made my choice and this is what I can tell you.

- The breed is virtually unknown in the south. The typical response I have run into is "if it isn't a black dog it isn't a retriever."

- I would recommend you check out the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association, I believe all the pudelpointer breeders in the USA are members.

- The pudelpointer world is extremely close. My breeder was out of Georgia (the closest breeder in the south outside of Texas). They only place pups into a hunting family. There are breeding restrictions placed on the pup, if you want to breed him you have to test him in the NAVHDA natural ability test and score high enough. The community is dead serious about keeping the dogs as a hunting line. They do not want AKC recognition, and detest the thought of a pudelpointer in a show ring, that is what they believe destroys good hunting genetics that they have worked the past 3 decades protecting and promoting.

- That said, the local NAVHDA chapters are great, I got an email the day after I sent in my down payment asking me to come to the monthly training sessions they run together at a quail preserve. It is all about training your own dog and hunting with it. Not about having a show dog. Just about everyone I have talked to said the dog knew how to hunt, it just had to be taken enough to refine the skills. The only problem is being close enough to take advantage of this (I'm six hours from the nearest chapter...)

- They are not cheap and the waiting lists can be years long. I lucked out and got a pup that was cancelled by another guy that had to move last minute, but I know of breeders right now that are taking down payments on 2015 anticipated litters. You are looking at around $1500.

- My pup has more grey and liver color than they typical brown. The breeders in the US are in close contact with the breeders in Germany and I was told the Germans wanted to reintroduce more pointer back into the breed and hence the color shift of my pup. My pup came with DNA testing, first set of shots and registration in NAVHDA. The pudelpointer does have a beard, although it is often less pronounced or with a more furry overall face. My pup is 8 weeks and he a little beard already.

- Everything I have read and talked to folks that own them tells me they are great indoor dogs. My pup so far gets along great with my wife's small dog and he has not destroyed the house at all. I keep him crated at night and during the day when we are gone, going for long walks in the morning and afternoon.

- I am biased, but I would say go for it if you have been in contact with a good breeder. The breed is not popular, and that is by design. At the very worst, you will have a great companion for the next 12 years or so...

Sorry for the long response, but I just wanted to give you everything I was wondering a couple weeks ago before I got my pup. If you have any questions don't hesitate.

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I agree with you on coverage. According to the breeder**, they work for a long time before tiring out. He was saying the breed has been used for sled dogs in the north.

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I have seen some..they cover more ground than a vizsla

Not nearly as much as a gsp, ep or even setters...

Congratulations on your new pup man! Post some pics when you get a chance. I appreciate your taking the time to write this up.

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- The breed is virtually unknown in the south. The typical response I have run into is "if it isn't a black dog it isn't a retriever."

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I hear ya. I felt like I was getting trolled by the internet on a breed that didn't exist. Trying to talk to people around here was discouraging to say the least.

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- The pudelpointer world is extremely close. My breeder was out of Georgia (the closest breeder in the south outside of Texas). They only place pups into a hunting family. There are breeding restrictions placed on the pup, if you want to breed him you have to test him in the NAVHDA natural ability test and score high enough. The community is dead serious about keeping the dogs as a hunting line.

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The two breeders we are are talking to are out of Oregon. They will not sell a dog that doesn't score at a high enough level on the testing. They also screen us to make sure we are purchasing the dog for hunting. The process seems like much more than a business transaction to the breeders, which encourages me.
If you don't mind sharing the name of your Georgia breeder I would love to cross reference some information.

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- They are not cheap and the waiting lists can be years long. I lucked out and got a pup that was cancelled by another guy that had to move last minute, but I know of breeders right now that are taking down payments on 2015 anticipated litters. You are looking at around $1500.

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We are unfortunately not going to get a 2014 pup but with our persistence we are in good running for the "pick of the litter" in 2015.

My bro-in-law's wedding gift to his siblings is always a new pup of their choice. He has been researching the breed and loves them. So I dodged that bullet.

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- Everything I have read and talked to folks that own them tells me they are great indoor dogs. My pup so far gets along great with my wife's small dog and he has not destroyed the house at all. I keep him crated at night and during the day when we are gone, going for long walks in the morning and afternoon.

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I have heard nothing but the same and glad you are experiencing this.

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Sorry for the long response, but I just wanted to give you everything I was wondering a couple weeks ago before I got my pup. If you have any questions don't hesitate.

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Thank you for taking the time to write all this up. You have really helped in validating my own research. In a couple years I need to have you down to South Texas for a quail hunting weekend so my pup can watch and learn from your dog. Cheers sir.

Great looking dog. I haven't seen coloring like that before on any other Pudelpointers. Very cool.

I will keep you updated as our search continues.

Hope your training goes well and keep us posted on his hunting progress.

I'm also considering a pudelpointer for my next pup. Anyone have leads on some litters around Louisiana?