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New Self Defense Ammo
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:55 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:55 am
Check out this ammo that I saw on my Facebook Page this AM. SIAP or Germans
G2R RIP AMMO
* 16? Penetration
* Up to 6? diameter spread
* 96 gr projectile
* 2? grouping at 25 yrds
* 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy
* 9 Separate Wound Channels
* Precision Machined
* Solid Copper / Lead Free
* Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing
G2R RIP AMMO
* 16? Penetration
* Up to 6? diameter spread
* 96 gr projectile
* 2? grouping at 25 yrds
* 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy
* 9 Separate Wound Channels
* Precision Machined
* Solid Copper / Lead Free
* Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 7:57 am
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:01 am to skuter
How those don't come apart prematurely is beyond me
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:49 am to lv2bowhntAU
Lol @ the video voice over...
Reminds me of the now defunct extreme shock ammo.
Reminds me of the now defunct extreme shock ammo.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:09 am to skuter
Want
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:44 am to skuter
I'm guessing $3/round
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:56 am to skuter
yyyyyyyyyikes.......only time will tell, right?
Like proliferation of computer technology, Firearm tech will blossom quantifiably (my new word).
Bullet makers will use that same "trocar" technology to make the petals remain on the bullet core, making a larger diameter.
The petals on conventional bullets peel back too easy so there will be strength added to the sides of each trocar....making them have much more effective stopping power.
Question:
Why are some ammunitions lead free?
Is this because of rumblings that obama will try to tax lead, making bullets more hard to come by?
Like proliferation of computer technology, Firearm tech will blossom quantifiably (my new word).
Bullet makers will use that same "trocar" technology to make the petals remain on the bullet core, making a larger diameter.
The petals on conventional bullets peel back too easy so there will be strength added to the sides of each trocar....making them have much more effective stopping power.
Question:
Why are some ammunitions lead free?
Is this because of rumblings that obama will try to tax lead, making bullets more hard to come by?
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 1:22 pm to dstone12
I'm not totally sold on this design and already have some questions.
1. The pedal design would get absolutely ripped to pieces when being rechambered numerous times like most defense rounds are. The more the round is rechambered, the more ripped up the bullet would get. Maybe it's more rigid than I imagine but this is a concern.
2. The bullet in the middle that continues through acts as an FMJ. This is apparent when you look at the videos. I don't see law enforcement ever adopting this if the bullet overpenetrates every time.
3. All exotic rounds hit the market and appear to be the new invention of the wheel. But until this is adopted, I am not entirely sold on it.
4. If I'm proven wrong, I will happily dine on some crow.
All-copper bullets almost always have 100% weight retention, so you don't have to worry about jacket separation from the lead core. The downside of all-copper bullets is that they are expensive.
1. The pedal design would get absolutely ripped to pieces when being rechambered numerous times like most defense rounds are. The more the round is rechambered, the more ripped up the bullet would get. Maybe it's more rigid than I imagine but this is a concern.
2. The bullet in the middle that continues through acts as an FMJ. This is apparent when you look at the videos. I don't see law enforcement ever adopting this if the bullet overpenetrates every time.
3. All exotic rounds hit the market and appear to be the new invention of the wheel. But until this is adopted, I am not entirely sold on it.
4. If I'm proven wrong, I will happily dine on some crow.
quote:
Why are some ammunitions lead free?
All-copper bullets almost always have 100% weight retention, so you don't have to worry about jacket separation from the lead core. The downside of all-copper bullets is that they are expensive.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:19 pm to bapple
Would imagine an all-copper bullet wound oxidize relatively fast. Plus it is a really soft metal.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:11 pm to warr09
Are these similar to the Black Talon round that was outlawed in the 90s?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 3:35 pm to contraryman
They complete the same task but by different means.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 5:49 pm to bapple
quote:
All-copper bullets almost always have 100% weight retention, so you don't have to worry about jacket separation from the lead core.
Wouldn't an all-copper bullet also be lighter than a lead cored copper jacket? YOu could never find an all copper 147 gr 9mm, no?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:24 pm to dstone12
quote:
Wouldn't an all-copper bullet also be lighter than a lead cored copper jacket? YOu could never find an all copper 147 gr 9mm, no?
Absolutely.
Barnes bullets are devastating in a rifle cartridge and are usually very accurate since they have to be very long to be heavy.
But for pistol bullets, they can never seen to get the bullet to be heavy enough and this usually leads to a lack of penetration. Plus since the bullet sits deeper in the case they can't fit as much powder.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:27 pm to bapple
Big fan of Barnes 357 xpb 140gr all cooper bullets. Load them for 1300fps and they are mean.
I need to do some kinda gel testing.
I'd load some of the trogdor things for wheel guns.
I need to do some kinda gel testing.
I'd load some of the trogdor things for wheel guns.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:36 pm to skuter
no way you can afford enough of those to ensure they cycle in your gun
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:37 pm to contraryman
Black talon wasn't outlawed. They changed the name due to PC issues really. Black talons are pretty much the same things as Winchester rangers. The black was a coating on the bullet itself, the same coating Winchester still uses...it just not black anymore.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:38 pm to H.M. Murdock
PDX is just an improved Ranger, too.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:40 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
I like the pdx, pretty much black talons with minor bullet difference and of course more velocity.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:43 pm to H.M. Murdock
quote:
minor bullet difference
Bonded
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:49 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Ranger comes in t and bonded. Ranger bonded is the same as pdx1 in the 45 variety
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:51 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
I have the Ranger T in all of my CC weapons.
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