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It's their body they can put in what they want...
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:21 pm
This argument for drugs, unhealthy foods, etc.
Is it really? If I'm paying for their healthcare in taxes, is it not a concern of mine? Where should the line be drawn?
Obviously we can't say "you can't eat this" because we're not communist bastards. But I don't wanna pay for some fatasses heart medicine 20 years from now.
Go.
Is it really? If I'm paying for their healthcare in taxes, is it not a concern of mine? Where should the line be drawn?
Obviously we can't say "you can't eat this" because we're not communist bastards. But I don't wanna pay for some fatasses heart medicine 20 years from now.
Go.
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:23 pm to jimbeam
It's a much more substantial argument if the costs of healthcare are not collectivized. The same logic of self-ownership that is used in argument for freedom of ingestion should be applied across the spectrum.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:39 pm to jimbeam
Think your argument is mostly dumb. Some validity but mostly dumb.
Do you do everything you can to optomise your health? Do you exercise 4-5 times a week. Track caloric intake? Make sure your macro nutrient ratios are in line for your activity level (such as 50% carbs, 25% fats, 25% protein). Do eat organic? Do you make sure your fatty acid intake profiles are sufficient in Omega 3, Omega 6, Omega 9, and DHA, EPA each day? Do you make sure to eat yogurt for probiotics. Do you eat blueberries for their amazing antioxidant profile. Do you drink red wine or otherwise supplement with reservatrol? Do you eat oatmeal for gastrointestinal health? Do you get enough fiber including insoluable fiber? Do you maximize your mental capacity with acytel choline, DMAE, and tyrosine supplements? What about coffee? Do you drink enough for the antioxidant benefits but not too much? How about meats? When you eat red meat do you stick with less marbled cuts? How about your fruits? Do you eat fruits with optimal glycemic indexes to make sure your insulin levels stay stable? Do you realize your liver can only process about 50 grams of fructose per day? Do you know that sucrose is composed of one glucose and one fructose molecule? Do understand the fructose content of different fruits considering the above? How about dairy? Do have you bases covered their for calcium and mineral intake? What about zinc. DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY frickING CLUE HOW IMPORTANT ZINC IS AND WHAT DAMN FOOD HAVE IT? DOES YOUR IGNORANT arse EVEN UNDERSTAND BIOAVALAIBILITY OF CERTAIN FOODS AND HOW SOME ARE VASTLY SUPPERIOR IN THEIR ORAC CONTENT?????
If you don't have all your fricking ducks in a row, go ahead and die. I am tired of paying for your ignorance with my money I work hard for shite for brains.
(see how this is a slippery slope?)
Do you do everything you can to optomise your health? Do you exercise 4-5 times a week. Track caloric intake? Make sure your macro nutrient ratios are in line for your activity level (such as 50% carbs, 25% fats, 25% protein). Do eat organic? Do you make sure your fatty acid intake profiles are sufficient in Omega 3, Omega 6, Omega 9, and DHA, EPA each day? Do you make sure to eat yogurt for probiotics. Do you eat blueberries for their amazing antioxidant profile. Do you drink red wine or otherwise supplement with reservatrol? Do you eat oatmeal for gastrointestinal health? Do you get enough fiber including insoluable fiber? Do you maximize your mental capacity with acytel choline, DMAE, and tyrosine supplements? What about coffee? Do you drink enough for the antioxidant benefits but not too much? How about meats? When you eat red meat do you stick with less marbled cuts? How about your fruits? Do you eat fruits with optimal glycemic indexes to make sure your insulin levels stay stable? Do you realize your liver can only process about 50 grams of fructose per day? Do you know that sucrose is composed of one glucose and one fructose molecule? Do understand the fructose content of different fruits considering the above? How about dairy? Do have you bases covered their for calcium and mineral intake? What about zinc. DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY frickING CLUE HOW IMPORTANT ZINC IS AND WHAT DAMN FOOD HAVE IT? DOES YOUR IGNORANT arse EVEN UNDERSTAND BIOAVALAIBILITY OF CERTAIN FOODS AND HOW SOME ARE VASTLY SUPPERIOR IN THEIR ORAC CONTENT?????
If you don't have all your fricking ducks in a row, go ahead and die. I am tired of paying for your ignorance with my money I work hard for shite for brains.
(see how this is a slippery slope?)
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:41 pm to jimbeam
I hear this argument all the time, but it never made sense to me. People that live longer often need very expensive, often 24-hour end of life care. Both my maternal grandparents lived to be in their 90s, and both endured cancer and eventual heart problems. I bet my grandmother was hospitalized 7 or 8 times in her last year of life. They both were on Medicare for nearly 30 years... I feel pretty confident that they racked up millions in medical bills.
It never really made sense that fat people, or smokers/drug users that usually die much earlier would incur more healthcare costs.
There are several close family members/friends that I hope lose weight, and I'd like to see several other people close to me quit smoking. My reason was never because it might cost me extra, I'd just like them to be around longer. It's actually quite possible that it costs less to treat the obese and smokers over their lifetimes.
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It never really made sense that fat people, or smokers/drug users that usually die much earlier would incur more healthcare costs.
There are several close family members/friends that I hope lose weight, and I'd like to see several other people close to me quit smoking. My reason was never because it might cost me extra, I'd just like them to be around longer. It's actually quite possible that it costs less to treat the obese and smokers over their lifetimes.
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:42 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Or we could just have people pay for their own healthcare...
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:42 pm to jimbeam
quote:
This argument for drugs, unhealthy foods, etc.
Is it really? If I'm paying for their healthcare in taxes, is it not a concern of mine? Where should the line be drawn?
Obviously we can't say "you can't eat this" because we're not communist bastards. But I don't wanna pay for some fatasses heart medicine 20 years from now.
Go.
Have fun paying for their incarceration, the incarceration of those who sell the product and the whole CJ system that supports the WoD. It's a helluva lot more expensive than allowing someone to drink, smoke or shoot up.
Not to mention generations of welfare for the families and children of those who are locked up.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:44 pm to EllisD
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Or we could just have people pay for their own healthcare...
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:this is my line of thinking
Or we could just have people pay for their own healthcare...
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:51 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:
Do you do everything you can to optomise your health? Do you exercise 4-5 times a week. Track caloric intake? Make sure your macro nutrient ratios are in line for your activity level (such as 50% carbs, 25% fats, 25% protein). Do eat organic? Do you make sure your fatty acid intake profiles are sufficient in Omega 3, Omega 6, Omega 9, and DHA, EPA each day? Do you make sure to eat yogurt for probiotics. Do you eat blueberries for their amazing antioxidant profile. Do you drink red wine or otherwise supplement with reservatrol? Do you eat oatmeal for gastrointestinal health? Do you get enough fiber including insoluable fiber? Do you maximize your mental capacity with acytel choline, DMAE, and tyrosine supplements? What about coffee? Do you drink enough for the antioxidant benefits but not too much? How about meats? When you eat red meat do you stick with less marbled cuts? How about your fruits? Do you eat fruits with optimal glycemic indexes to make sure your insulin levels stay stable? Do you realize your liver can only process about 50 grams of fructose per day? Do you know that sucrose is composed of one glucose and one fructose molecule? Do understand the fructose content of different fruits considering the above? How about dairy? Do have you bases covered their for calcium and mineral intake? What about zinc. DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY frickING CLUE HOW IMPORTANT ZINC IS AND WHAT DAMN FOOD HAVE IT? DOES YOUR IGNORANT arse EVEN UNDERSTAND BIOAVALAIBILITY OF CERTAIN FOODS AND HOW SOME ARE VASTLY SUPPERIOR IN THEIR ORAC CONTENT?????
Reading all that just made me hungry.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:56 pm to EllisD
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Or we could just have people pay for their own healthcare...
Right on. If it's costing them a lot of money, maybe unhealthy lifestyles wouldn't be so attractive.
But, there will always be bleeding hearts who stick up for ...everyone and expect the public to cover their asses.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:59 pm to DawgfaninCa
I had fun and started chuckling while typing it. So much damn useless info rattling around in my lil head.
FTR, I just ate almost an entire large papa johns pizza.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:16 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Yes because incarcerating 25% of the worlds prisoners and the multi-trillion dollar war on drugs (that has failed) are a much better alternative than letting people use drugs.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:19 pm to TejasPete
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Yes because incarcerating 25% of the worlds prisoners and the multi-trillion dollar war on drugs (that has failed) are a much better alternative than letting people use drugs.
Could not agree more (taking into account the sarcasm).
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:34 pm to jimbeam
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Is it really? If I'm paying for their healthcare in taxes, is it not a concern of mine? Where should the line be drawn?
I argue that when republicans I talk to start to go down the "if I end up paying for it" path and they never have a good answer.
Simple solution: we don't pay for it.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:36 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83 Think your argument is mostly dumb. Some validity but mostly dumb. Do you do everything you can to optomise your health? Do you exercise 4-5 times a week. Track caloric intake? Make sure your macro nutrient ratios are in line for your activity level (such as 50% carbs, 25% fats, 25% protein). Do eat organic? Do you make sure your fatty acid intake profiles are sufficient in Omega 3, Omega 6, Omega 9, and DHA, EPA each day? Do you make sure to eat yogurt for probiotics. Do you eat blueberries for their amazing antioxidant profile. Do you drink red wine or otherwise supplement with reservatrol? Do you eat oatmeal for gastrointestinal health? Do you get enough fiber including insoluable fiber? Do you maximize your mental capacity with acytel choline, DMAE, and tyrosine supplements? What about coffee? Do you drink enough for the antioxidant benefits but not too much? How about meats? When you eat red meat do you stick with less marbled cuts? How about your fruits? Do you eat fruits with optimal glycemic indexes to make sure your insulin levels stay stable? Do you realize your liver can only process about 50 grams of fructose per day? Do you know that sucrose is composed of one glucose and one fructose molecule? Do understand the fructose content of different fruits considering the above? How about dairy? Do have you bases covered their for calcium and mineral intake? What about zinc. DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY frickING CLUE HOW IMPORTANT ZINC IS AND WHAT DAMN FOOD HAVE IT? DOES YOUR IGNORANT arse EVEN UNDERSTAND BIOAVALAIBILITY OF CERTAIN FOODS AND HOW SOME ARE VASTLY SUPPERIOR IN THEIR ORAC CONTENT????? If you don't have all your fricking ducks in a row, go ahead and die. I am tired of paying for your ignorance with my money I work hard for shite for brains. (see how this is a slippery slope?)
...says the guy who supports socialized medicine.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If it's costing them a lot of money, maybe unhealthy lifestyles wouldn't be so attractive.
What about cancer for kids? What about those that have genetic testing and carry certain genes, should we just not allow them to breed?
Folks act as if every goddamn disease process is behaviorally modified to an extent that good behaviors are like kryptonite.
I like the collective nature of insurance, I don't mine paying for someones Lipitor(whether genetic or lifestyle), and hopefully I will never need any coverage, but if I get cancer I just hope I can pay for the best treatment.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:50 pm to jimbeam
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:50 pm to deltaland
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:02 pm to jimbeam
quote:
This argument for drugs, unhealthy foods, etc.
Is it really? If I'm paying for their healthcare in taxes, is it not a concern of mine? Where should the line be drawn?
Obviously we can't say "you can't eat this" because we're not communist bastards. But I don't wanna pay for some fatasses heart medicine 20 years from now.
Go.
The Legalization of street drugs would increase their purity and help regulate dosage and information about the drugs therefore leading to less accidental overdoses and impure substances on the market. Thus decreasing the cost of healthcare. The violence reduction would also have a positive effect on our healthcare system.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:10 pm to oklahogjr
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The Legalization of street drugs would increase their purity and help regulate dosage and information about the drugs therefore leading to less accidental overdoses and impure substances on the market. Thus decreasing the cost of healthcare. The violence reduction would also have a positive effect on our healthcare system.
The same people who can't remember to take their birth control pills are the ones you are trying to claim will have the knowledge to not overdose....oh keep up the humor.
The sames ones who drop out of school and don't want to work are the ones who are now going to act responsible...
OK
You can make a better argument for legalizing but this one ain't it.
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