re: Saints 2014 Offseason Thread

Shields sticks with the Packers for 4/$39m. After that, probably looking at something like 4/$32m for a guy like Munnerlyn.

Is that a guess on Shields or did he get that? Because they said they weren't going higher than $5.5m on him before.

And I highly doubt Munnerlyn gets what Grimes got. Grimes was a legit number 1 guy and Munnerlyn is a number 2 guy.

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If those are guesses Thrillho, I think you need to go look at what guys have actually gotten this year. It's a buyer's market and the top guys aren't getting near what Revis got. I mean Grimes only got half of what he got.

It was a discount, but I believe it was said that he could have gotten $7m elsewhere last year because he was only a one year starter and a number 2 with the Steelers.

So while we got him cheaper, it was only by a couple of mil per, though over the life of the contract it was a lot(about $8-9m total).

Yeah I finally saw something on it. That's quite shocking considering they said before they weren't going to budge from the $5.5-6m range.

I guess now that he can get other offers and they saw what other teams were willing to give that had to overpay just to keep him.

Stupid move on their part because he was willing to settle for $7m per before. They just lost big time.

And I figured he would get about $7-8m per because he is young, though not as good as Grimes(but he's older).

I still don't think Munnerlyn and those similar guys get as much as Grimes, but all it takes is one team.

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The deal is actually front loaded because the Packers have a ton of cap space this year($30m+ before they signed Shields). Smart move on their part.

$15m in year one, and $9m in the third and fourth years. So the second year is for $6m. So front loaded year one and back loaded year two.

That's what I was thinking. A team with tons of cap space (Cleveland, Oakland) striking out on some guys and pretty much being forced to overpay a player like Captain. I may be overestimating his value a bit, Evan Silva of rotoworld actually thinks Peanut Tillman is a better FA CB than Munnerlyn (he did make the Pro Bowl, but he's on his last legs and has been primarily a zone CB).

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$15m in year one, and $9m in the third and fourth years.

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PFT did a poor job explaining it. When they said

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his 2014 compensation is $15 million

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is including most of, if not the entire signing bonus.

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Jason_OTC ?@Jason_OTC 13m
Based on @AlbertBreer tweet looks like a 5.625m cap in year 1, 9.125m cap in year 2, and 11.125m in year 3. #packers

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Still, $26m in the first 3 seasons isn't far off from the average per season.

How good is Captain? I've never really paid attention to him outside of the novelty that is his name. I was under the impression the Panthers secondary was pretty shoddy.

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How good is Captain?

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He's a pretty good number 2. Just don't stick him on 6'4" guys and he does fine.

I'd say he played about as well as Greer did last year sticking the 2s.

That's why it's hard for me to see him getting #1 CB money. He'll have a hard time being a teams top corner.

Nicks, colston, Stills, graham would be pretty solid. Combine that with an emphasis on power running and that's one hell of an offense.

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It's tough to gauge how good Captain is, though. Walt Cherepinsky does his homework and has him as his #3 FA CB. PFF has him as the 4th highest rated (though he did play nickel fairly often, which makes things easier for him). Others seem to think he's just an OK #2. His elite front 7 also made things easier for him.

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Yeah it definitely depends on who you ask, but actually getting to see him play at least twice a year I'd be damn happy with him as our 2.

Now if we needed a 1 I don't think I'd jump on Mnnerlyn. There are other guys who maybe aren't as good but are better suited for sticking a team's top receiver.

And I guess that it will be up to how teams out there view him. If someone sees him as a 1 he could easily get $8-10m per. If nobody sees him as a 1 then he likely gets no more than $5m per.

And that's what I was basing my predictions on(him being a two).

I'm just excited to see who we might target and who we'll actually get.