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Single issue voters are the problem
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:08 pm
We always see cases of people fleeing California, New York, Illinois, etc. because of the stupid economic policies in those states that ruin the states economies and they flee to better economic states like Texas, Arizona, etc.
These people leave the leftist states for more economic freedom but when it comes to voting they vote on single issues.
For example Jane Doe flees California for Texas and as soon as she hears that the conservative Republican running for office is against abortion she votes for the democrat. Even though the democrat wants the same economic policies that ruined California and caused Jane Doe to move in the first place.
Or Joe Public flees New York for Colorado because he is tired of the economy there and also wants to keep his guns, but as soon as he gets to Colorado he sees the interview of the conservative candidate saying he believes in traditional marriage, so he votes for the democrat due to the single issue of "gay equality" and as he does that votes for the democrat whose platform includes the same economic policies and gun grabbing agenda he fled New York from.
This is how people who flee blue states turn red states purple/blue, because of single issues voters on wedge issues that trump everything else. "I don't care that this guy is a socialist on economic policy who wants outrageous tax rates and other job crushing/anti growth policies, he is for gay marriage/abortion damnit!"
These people leave the leftist states for more economic freedom but when it comes to voting they vote on single issues.
For example Jane Doe flees California for Texas and as soon as she hears that the conservative Republican running for office is against abortion she votes for the democrat. Even though the democrat wants the same economic policies that ruined California and caused Jane Doe to move in the first place.
Or Joe Public flees New York for Colorado because he is tired of the economy there and also wants to keep his guns, but as soon as he gets to Colorado he sees the interview of the conservative candidate saying he believes in traditional marriage, so he votes for the democrat due to the single issue of "gay equality" and as he does that votes for the democrat whose platform includes the same economic policies and gun grabbing agenda he fled New York from.
This is how people who flee blue states turn red states purple/blue, because of single issues voters on wedge issues that trump everything else. "I don't care that this guy is a socialist on economic policy who wants outrageous tax rates and other job crushing/anti growth policies, he is for gay marriage/abortion damnit!"
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 3:51 pm
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:24 pm to goldennugget
So basically anyone voting based on social issues is an idiot. I can 100% get behind that.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:29 pm to goldennugget
I think this speaks to how uninformed and uneducated (about the candidates) the American populous is.
They take one or two major issues/talking points from Fox, CNN, MSNBC, _______ and vote based on those one or two buzz word issues.
Instead, every voter should at least devote SOME time to researching the candidates, look at their voting history and gain more info/insight into who's running, versus half assing it and simply voting for the letter by the candidates name.
They take one or two major issues/talking points from Fox, CNN, MSNBC, _______ and vote based on those one or two buzz word issues.
Instead, every voter should at least devote SOME time to researching the candidates, look at their voting history and gain more info/insight into who's running, versus half assing it and simply voting for the letter by the candidates name.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:29 pm to goldennugget
I wouldn't think the impact would be enough to actually turn a state from blue to red. But if any state in the country were close, it would certainly be here in Texas.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:34 pm to goldennugget
What I find frustrating is the number of people that do migrate but still consider themselves to espouse the political virtues of the area they left.
I just moved from NYC to Nashville because of the cost of living, taxes, and because now you have to be admitted into public school, it's not just something that you get for paying taxes in NYC.
It's like they love the benefits of a strong economic policy, but don't get the connection between their political views and the economic realities that those political views create.
What makes capitalism strong is that people really do vote with their wallets.
You think people making minimum wage should be making more? Great. Don't shop at places that pay minimum wage. I want every fricking progressive on this board to never set foot in a fast food restaurant again. Only buy starbucks coffee. Only eat at high end restaurants, and only buy groceries at high end grocers that don't pay minimum wage.
Guess what, you won't DARE do that because you don't really want to pay the premium price that comes along with it. You don't really want a higher minimum wage.
This is just one example........
I just moved from NYC to Nashville because of the cost of living, taxes, and because now you have to be admitted into public school, it's not just something that you get for paying taxes in NYC.
It's like they love the benefits of a strong economic policy, but don't get the connection between their political views and the economic realities that those political views create.
What makes capitalism strong is that people really do vote with their wallets.
You think people making minimum wage should be making more? Great. Don't shop at places that pay minimum wage. I want every fricking progressive on this board to never set foot in a fast food restaurant again. Only buy starbucks coffee. Only eat at high end restaurants, and only buy groceries at high end grocers that don't pay minimum wage.
Guess what, you won't DARE do that because you don't really want to pay the premium price that comes along with it. You don't really want a higher minimum wage.
This is just one example........
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:35 pm to goldennugget
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For example Jane Doe flees California for Texas and as soon as she hears that the conservative Republican running for office is against abortion she votes for the democrat. Even though the democrat wants the same economic policies that ruined California and caused Jane Doe to move in the first place.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. We need to build a wall around California.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:36 pm to constant cough
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I've said it once and I'll say it again. We need to build a wall around California.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:42 pm to goldennugget
I know one. His name is UAW. He hates black people. Big time racist. But he voted for Obama twice. Why? The union told him to.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:47 pm to ironsides
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It's like they love the benefits of a strong economic policy, but don't get the connection between their political views and the economic realities that those political views create.
This is the problem.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:47 pm to constant cough
quote:How about those one-spikes like they have a rental car places with the one-way going in; not out?
I've said it once and I'll say it again. We need to build a wall around California.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:53 pm to Diamondawg
I am surprised no one has chimed in yet saying "Republicans/conservatives just need to drop issues like abortion or gay marriage and just focus on fiscal conservatism"
Even if a candidate came out and said "I think abortion/gay marriage should be left up to the states", which IMO is the constitutionalist libertarian position, the media nad left would still attack them as woman hating and homophobic who has backward views.
Unless a conservative outright comes out and says "I 100% full on support abortion on demand and gay marriage and 110% equality for gays, lesbians, trasngendered, and all" and marches along side them in a gay pride parade, the media/left will call them woman hating homophobes. Even then I am sure the left and media will find a way to attack them. Goalposts never stop moving with the left.
Even if a candidate came out and said "I think abortion/gay marriage should be left up to the states", which IMO is the constitutionalist libertarian position, the media nad left would still attack them as woman hating and homophobic who has backward views.
Unless a conservative outright comes out and says "I 100% full on support abortion on demand and gay marriage and 110% equality for gays, lesbians, trasngendered, and all" and marches along side them in a gay pride parade, the media/left will call them woman hating homophobes. Even then I am sure the left and media will find a way to attack them. Goalposts never stop moving with the left.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 3:54 pm to goldennugget
I think single issue voters are less a component of the population than people think.
But I will say what really irks me is single issue voters that vote on issues unrelating to the election in question.
For instance abortion. The president can barely do anything about abortion, yet millions of people vote based on the abortion issue. can you be that stupid?
But I will say what really irks me is single issue voters that vote on issues unrelating to the election in question.
For instance abortion. The president can barely do anything about abortion, yet millions of people vote based on the abortion issue. can you be that stupid?
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:01 pm to Hawkeye95
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can you be that stupid?
Remember Gary Hart? Ran for president about 30 years ago. I had a date with an girl that said she was going to vote for him because he was so good looking.
Yes, the stupid do vote.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:02 pm to goldennugget
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I am surprised no one has chimed in yet saying "Republicans/conservatives just need to drop issues like abortion or gay marriage and just focus on fiscal conservatism" Even if a candidate came out and said "I think abortion/gay marriage should be left up to the states", which IMO is the constitutionalist libertarian position, the media nad left would still attack them as woman hating and homophobic who has backward views. Unless a conservative outright comes out and says "I 100% full on support abortion on demand and gay marriage and 110% equality for gays, lesbians, trasngendered, and all" and marches along side them in a gay pride parade, the media/left will call them woman hating homophobes. Even then I am sure the left and media will find a way to attack them. Goalposts never stop moving with the left.
I do hear you, however I think that this has the potential to change over time. At some point the state of the country will get so bad that people will tune out the messages of the leftist MSM. At that point they will be forced to change because the public won't buy it anymore.
This has already started to happen, but the economy hasn't gone full retard yet. When it does happen, look for it to be the republican congress' fault. Especially as the elections near later this year. By 2016 it will become woefully apparent that it is all the progressive complex' issue and the nation will have swung right of center.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:16 pm to mauser
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Remember Gary Hart? Ran for president about 30 years ago. I had a date with an girl that said she was going to vote for him because he was so good looking.
Yes, the stupid do vote.
it was a rhetorical question, I know people vote that way.
I know someone who voted for McCain in 2008 b.c Palin attended the same church as her mother. Not her church, the same church as her mother. And not at the same time. She switched her vote from obama, who she was voting for b.c she thought we needed some change.
And she is that stupid. Not hawt either
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:23 pm to goldennugget
Let me offer another view: I have a single issue that is more important to me than any other. I think I am well informed on that issue and my feelings toward that issue inform how I am likely to feel about other topics.
If a politician disagrees with me on that issue, I believe he is either a) ignorant of the facts or b) viewing the world through a fundamentally different perspective than I am. Now, given that, why would I vote for him?
If a politician disagrees with me on that issue, I believe he is either a) ignorant of the facts or b) viewing the world through a fundamentally different perspective than I am. Now, given that, why would I vote for him?
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:34 pm to goldennugget
One trick Toddy. 
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:38 pm to LeonPhelps
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So basically anyone voting based on social issues is an idiot. I can 100% get behind that.
That's a two way street. Regardless, I've been beaten into submission. Republicans win, they have my vote if they repeal obamacare, cut taxes, gut spending, and annihilate welfare
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:39 pm to weagle99
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Let me offer another view: I have a single issue that is more important to me than any other. I think I am well informed on that issue and my feelings toward that issue inform how I am likely to feel about other topics.
If a politician disagrees with me on that issue, I believe he is either a) ignorant of the facts or b) viewing the world through a fundamentally different perspective than I am. Now, given that, why would I vote for him?
If that single issue is fiscal conservatism or economic fairness, then it makes sense. But it is far too limiting when it is something like gay marriage, reproductive rights, death penalty, quotas, gun rights, etc. (I didn't say abortion because that is a monster can of worms).
Posted on 1/13/14 at 4:44 pm to Jwho77
would republicans vote for a man who fiscally is what they want but who supports gay marriage and abortion
more often than not the answer is no, like I said "two way street"
more often than not the answer is no, like I said "two way street"
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