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People are born Gay, but are trained to be Feminine or Masculine?

Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:25 am
Posted by Iona Fan Man
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:25 am
Is it possible that people are also born feminine and born masculine?

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“Gender is the social and cultural construction of femininity, masculinity, and anything in between as opposed to the biological sex (male/female/a combination thereof). In the U.S., people are generally socialized to be ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ based on the cultural norms and assumptions of society. These assumptions of gender difference are often so embedded into our cultural systems, beliefs, and behaviors that they appear ‘natural’, and thus we tend to take them for granted”



common belief is that you were trained as a child to like boy things or like girl things....But I don't get how "feminine Gays" came about then. Most would probably say that their Dad tried to get them to play football, but all they wanted to do was play with dolls, jump rope and hop-scotch.

Is it possible that gender identity is a "born that way" dynamic as much as wanting a same-sex partner is a born that way dynamic?
Posted by chunk
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:26 am to
gender roles
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:27 am to
I don't think you're "born gay" but at the same time I do think that you're taught to be feminine or masculine from an early age. I have a gay cousin who swears he's always known he's gay from a very early age.
Posted by chunk
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:27 am to
psychology 101
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:29 am to
I guess that this is the same old nature vs nurture thing. It seems intuitive that it would be some combination of the two.
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:29 am to
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psychology 101


a 101 year old science that hasn't had any set foundation.
Posted by dwilk4
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:30 am to
No one is born gay. It's things that happen in ur life and personality traits u develop that determine who u like to have sex with!
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:31 am to
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psychology 101


One of my psych professors was obsessed over this issue but patently refused to hear any evidence or arguments that there are natural/ingrained gender roles. I often brought up the idea that are biological characteristics support what she believed to be social constructs. She would never enter into that conversation.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:31 am to
Wouldn't the amount of testosterone have an effect?
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:32 am to
I believe people are born masculine or feminine, but society and culture help define what those are.

In other words, a mixture of nature/nurture.
Posted by hardhead
stinky bayou
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:32 am to
whats up with all the queer related threads today.

the gay must be going around like the flu.

I'm going home.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 10:35 am
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:33 am to
So culture tells those who like the same sex to dress and act like the opposite sex? I never understood this part. If you are gay and like dudes, then why act feminine?
Posted by chunk
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:36 am to
afraid to touch that obviously
Posted by MWP
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:38 am to
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Wouldn't the amount of testosterone have an effect?


If that's the case, get all of them on a cycle of Deca/Test.

Phil would not approve of this thread, btw.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:40 am to
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No one is born gay.

Damn straight. There's no way guys like Liberace, Richard Simmons and Paul Lynde were born gay. They were coached up by the "other team" so to speak.
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
27462 posts
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:40 am to
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obsessed over this issue but patently refused to hear any evidence or arguments that there are natural/ingrained gender roles


yeah, that's what I am getting as well, people angry that I would even suggest it.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:44 am to
It seems pretty obvious to me that there would have to be at least some natural gender roles if you look at some of the simple physiological differences between women and men.
Posted by HappyTownTiger
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Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:44 am to
I prefer my beer cold, toilet paper warm, and my homosexuals flaaaaming!---Homer Simpson
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48285 posts
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:45 am to
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people angry that I would even suggest it.


Not angry, just not equipped with how to handle opposing evidence.

For instance, she would argue that the idea of Females being the primary caregiver to children is a cultural construct not a biological trait. I brought up the point that nature selected females to be the incubators of fetuses. Human females' bodies naturally care for children for nine months prior to birth. Wouldn't the biological fact that women are equipped with a uterus suggest that there is a biological tendency to become the primary caregiver?

To her credit, she was very willing to allow my point of view to be shared and she told me I ended up getting the highest grade in the class. Not ever professor is cool about you challenging them (even respectfully.)
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 10:48 am
Posted by Iona Fan Man
Member since Jan 2006
27462 posts
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:48 am to
well I was arguing a couple of feminists, so not very professorly.
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