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Do you think Mainieri uses advanced metrics?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:03 pm
If so who on the staff would accumulate them? Or would that be a job for someone like Bill Franques?
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:07 pm to bbap
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:16 pm to bbap
I think they probably use the basic measures, but nothing too in depth.
For one, it may be over the head of anyone on staff. MLB teams have employees where their sole job is stuff like this. I'm not sure the average joe can go too in-depth here.
2, with college baseball rosters being so condensed, it may even be useless. To me, advanced metrics on an MLB level have always been more important when evaluating your young players, or other team's young players. As well as Free agents, Or players on another team that you may want to acquire.
For one, it may be over the head of anyone on staff. MLB teams have employees where their sole job is stuff like this. I'm not sure the average joe can go too in-depth here.
2, with college baseball rosters being so condensed, it may even be useless. To me, advanced metrics on an MLB level have always been more important when evaluating your young players, or other team's young players. As well as Free agents, Or players on another team that you may want to acquire.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:17 pm to Lester Earl
yeah i hear ya and agree on all points.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:48 pm to bbap
it would probably be extremely hard to do on a mass scale, LE touched on a couple of the problems and I also doubt most high schools keep good enough stats to calculate some of the more advanced stats.
I think college recruiting is more eyeball test then stats driven
I think college recruiting is more eyeball test then stats driven
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:49 pm to heartbreakTiger
i meant it more as using it with his current players, not for recruiting high schoolers.
but even still i agree with yall.
but even still i agree with yall.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:50 pm to bbap
He uses easily accessible metrics. Things like park adjusted numbers or zone defense ratings that are park adjusted he is unlikely to use because they are very labor intensive to gather and their usefulness is debatable. I think things like VORP and WAR and BAbIP he clearly uses.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:52 pm to therick711
Good question. Would you have enough of a sample with college guys?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:55 pm to bbap
Javi does it, he's why we rock that Gorilla Ball Advanced Math Rap Game
Posted on 1/7/14 at 2:00 pm to therick711
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I think things like VORP and WAR and BAbIP he clearly uses.
I doubt honestly they even go this far. maybe BABIP
Posted on 1/7/14 at 2:01 pm to therick711
I seriously doubt they are using WAR in college ball. What is "average"? Conference? NCAA? Too many variables for this level.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 2:04 pm to AstroTiger
I would limit it to the conference. That will tell you a good bit and wouldn't be back breaking to do. He might not use it, but it seems reasonable.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 2:10 pm to AstroTiger
Yeah, I don't think VORP or WAR can really be assessed or really useful for calculating the replacement level of a bench player in college. The sample size would be too small.
But I don't see why you couldn't expand to plate discipline metrics, UZR, and like LE said, BABIP. Also would take into account Fip and XFip.
But I don't see why you couldn't expand to plate discipline metrics, UZR, and like LE said, BABIP. Also would take into account Fip and XFip.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 2:15 pm to swamie
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Yeah, I don't think VORP or WAR can really be assessed or really useful for calculating the replacement level of a bench player in college. The sample size would be too small.
That's a good point. It would have to encompass multiple seasons to be of an adequate sample size. The good news on that front is that kids have to stay over multiple seasons so the data can be accumulated. Another issue is they change the equipment. All of the time spent on accumulating data goes out of the window when you bring out a new bat or new ball.
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