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After rewatching the first half, Brees performance wasn't AS bad as it seemed.

Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:53 am
Perspective is everything, and it's hard to have it in the moment. While his performance in the first half wasn't great by any means, it wasn't the world ending, shipwreck it seemed like during the initial viewing.

4 plays of note:

-The low pass to Ingram on 3rd down that could have kept the drive alive: He seemed to be antsy initially. Maybe because of nerves. Maybe because he doesn't have the full trust of Amrstead yet. Either way, this throw was off, and it killed the drive.

-The first interception: it was a risky throw, but the interception itself was really on Stills. If Stills keeps running his route upfield, maybe he catches, maybe he doesn't, but Williams doesn't catch it like he's fielding a punt. It's conjecture, but we've seen Stills come down with those balls before.

-The second interception: this throw was inexcusable. We had a nice drive going, and not only does Drew stare down Lance the entire play, but he doesn't seem identify where the MLB is presnap. It wasn't a disguised coverage. He wasn't moving around. Brees just had a complete mental lapse

-The forced ball to Graham right before the half: it's paid off being aggressive like this before, but he didn't put enough air under this ball for it to pay off. The defenders easily swatted it away. Not only that, but Stills looked to be open on the sidelines, which would have allowed him to get out of bounds, and allow the team to get a shot or two into the endzone before halftime.

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Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:56 am to
After reading this post I have concluded you are wrong.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:58 am to


Watch it again. Just do that.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:59 am to
The horrid underthrow to sproles had me more upset than anything.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:01 pm to
True. That would have given the game a completely different dynamic.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:02 pm to
Nope. Worst first half ever by a quarterback. We should cut him and bring in JaMarcus.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:03 pm to
It's not really the straight up TD/INT stats that people like to throw around. It's the missed opportunities/forced throws that have been really problematic this year.


Hopefully he's a lot looser in Seattle and will make this offense move.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:03 pm to
I'll say this: his performance in the first half is the reason why it was a game won on a last second FG, and not a blowout. That and Lewis's departure.
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:05 pm to
GIVE HIM HIS HELMET BACK!!!
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:05 pm to
this is cute
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:09 pm to
Fak u tiggy.
Posted by Zoombop
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

The horrid underthrow to sproles had me more upset than anything.



He didn't really step into that throw enough. I think he got excited and rushed it out.
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:30 pm to
I've been digging on reading about the Cards beating the chickens in Seattle Week 16. They won with Carson Palmer throwing four picks! Brees in philly reminds me the same. Take away those mistakes and the game could have turned into a blowout.
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

-The first interception: it was a risky throw, but the interception itself was really on Stills. If Stills keeps running his route upfield, maybe he catches, maybe he doesn't, but Williams doesn't catch it like he's fielding a punt. It's conjecture, but we've seen Stills come down with those balls before.


You can try to sugar coat it and shift blame, but just like with the Sproles underthrow, this was all on Brees. That pass is supposed to hug the sideline, and not be 5-10 yards inside of it. Stills ran the route down the line and stopped once he realized it was thrown way inside and tried to adjust.

I know people want to try and shift blame on Brees, but that play was all on him. He missed a number of wide open receivers early on by locking in on Graham, it wasn't just the one near the end of the half. It seems that the blessing that Jimmy has been to this offense has had significant drawbacks as well. That is why I think people overvalue a #1 WR with Brees. It's been the fact that he's spread it around so much that has made this offense so potent in the past.
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:49 pm to
I wasn't trying to sugarcoat it. I stated it was a risky throw. Wherever you think the ball was suppose to go, Stills made a horrible adjustment, and was in no position to contend for the ball.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:52 pm to
Stills shouldn't have stopped, Brees shouldn't have thrown it. Enough to go around.
Posted by JPLIII
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:55 pm to
Why can't Brees just be perfect?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Why can't Brees just be perfect?



I love when people exaggerate to make a "point".
Posted by Patrick O Rly
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:59 pm to
I was fine with throwing in the area itself. It's a one on one matchup and Stills got behind Williams. The ball was underthrown, but not nearly as underthrown as Stills thought. I think he thought Brees was underthrowing it for him to come back to, letting Williams continue to run up field. Instead it was going to be a jump ball.
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 12:59 pm to
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I wasn't trying to sugarcoat it. I stated it was a risky throw. Wherever you think the ball was suppose to go, Stills made a horrible adjustment, and was in no position to contend for the ball.



I am not saying Stills couldn't have made a play on it to potentially break up the INT, but realistically, Brees overthrew him and based on his route, it was supposed to be a sideline throw that Brees simply threw very poorly.

I am sure the weather had some affect on that, but it is 95% on Brees on that play. I don't think Stills was expecting that ball, which is a mistake, but he ran his route and saw the ball going inside and restarted once he realized the DB had a shot at it. Partly his fault, but in the end its almost entirely on Brees.

Guy struggled. It happens. No need to try and analyze it and shift blame.
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