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Bestiality Laws in the United States (Or in general)
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:49 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:49 am
This is actually a response to this thread in the O-T Lounge.
Idaho man who dresses as dog had sex with cat
Source Article Daily News
Now, I believe having sex with an animal is nasty ,but that isn't what this post is about. Its about the criminal punishment of it.
This man could go to prison for 15+ year for having sex with a cat. This man is going to have a felony on his record through out his life for having sex with a cat.
Yet in the State of Idaho, if he had beaten his cat within an inch of death, he would of gotten a misdemeanor.
Idaho
§ 25-3501 et seq.**
Committing cruelty to animals Misdemeanor
1st offense
$5,000
6 months
2nd offense
$7,000
9 months
3rd offense
$9,000
1 year
Idaho 1864[30] § 18-6605. CRIME AGAINST NATURE—PUNISHMENT (Felony)
Every person who is guilty of the infamous crime against nature, committed with mankind or with any animal, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not less than five years.[31]
Maximum of 5 years in prison
Their are plenty of laws like this in other state as well.
Question?
What should the law be for "Bestiality"? Felony, Misdemeanor, or not at all (At least can we get some uniformity)
I feel dirty for saying it ,but genuinely don't give two sh!ts if my neighbor is screwing his dog or a woman is being screwed by her dog. I honestly could not think why it is justifiable to lock someone up for have sex with their pet if the pet isn't harmed. Sex with animals doesn't seem to compare to the treatment of livestock of the Mega farms of KFC and McDonalds yet it is perfectly legal how they are treated.
Can someone enlighten me over why it so harshly punished in many states ;while, animal cruelty is not?
*Yes I can't sleep... Big game today
Idaho man who dresses as dog had sex with cat
Source Article Daily News
Now, I believe having sex with an animal is nasty ,but that isn't what this post is about. Its about the criminal punishment of it.
quote:
Police say the Boise man, 28, sexually abused the cat multiple times between January 2012 and January 2013. After an extensive investigation, police secured an arrest warrant July 31 and arrested him the following day.
quote:
He could face up to five years in prison for each of the felony counts and up to six months and a fine for the misdemeanor
This man could go to prison for 15+ year for having sex with a cat. This man is going to have a felony on his record through out his life for having sex with a cat.
Yet in the State of Idaho, if he had beaten his cat within an inch of death, he would of gotten a misdemeanor.
Idaho
§ 25-3501 et seq.**
Committing cruelty to animals Misdemeanor
1st offense
$5,000
6 months
2nd offense
$7,000
9 months
3rd offense
$9,000
1 year
Idaho 1864[30] § 18-6605. CRIME AGAINST NATURE—PUNISHMENT (Felony)
Every person who is guilty of the infamous crime against nature, committed with mankind or with any animal, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not less than five years.[31]
Maximum of 5 years in prison
Their are plenty of laws like this in other state as well.
Question?
What should the law be for "Bestiality"? Felony, Misdemeanor, or not at all (At least can we get some uniformity)
I feel dirty for saying it ,but genuinely don't give two sh!ts if my neighbor is screwing his dog or a woman is being screwed by her dog. I honestly could not think why it is justifiable to lock someone up for have sex with their pet if the pet isn't harmed. Sex with animals doesn't seem to compare to the treatment of livestock of the Mega farms of KFC and McDonalds yet it is perfectly legal how they are treated.
Can someone enlighten me over why it so harshly punished in many states ;while, animal cruelty is not?
*Yes I can't sleep... Big game today
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:08 am to Socratics
quote:
feel dirty for saying it ,but genuinely don't give two sh!ts if my neighbor is screwing his dog
A person who is having sex with a dog is sick in the head. I'd worry if I had a neighbor like this!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:15 am to Revelator
quote:They may be sick in the head ,but how is it my business and why should they go to prison for it?
A person who is having sex with a dog is sick in the head. I'd worry if I had a neighbor like this!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:25 am to Socratics
quote:
They may be sick in the head ,but how is it my business and why should they go to prison for it?
You said you didn't care if you had a neighbor like this, which is a separate issue than if a person doing this should go to jail or not. A person that exhibits behavior like this is messed up in the head and to me, he could be dangerous. I certainly wouldn't want him as a neighbor if I had kids! I don't understand such a complacent attitude about having such a whacko as your neighbor? This is a sick sex offender.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:34 am to Socratics
As long as the person owns the dog or cat in question I don't have problem with them doing anything they want to with their property. I have had this debate over Michael Vick several times. What he did was reprehensible but as far as I know he owned the dogs in question and as such they were his to do with as he pleased, in my opinion. No different than a US flag that I choose to burn....it is mine. I can do anything I dam well please with it.....
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:41 am to germandawg
quote:
No different than a US flag that I choose to burn....it is mine
You make no distinction between a living, breathing animal and an inanimate object? Weird.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:46 am to Socratics
quote:
They may be sick in the head ,but how is it my business and why should they go to prison for it?
Regarding bestiality? Because it is essentially cruelty to animals. You think the animals enjoy being raped? There may be some validity to the notion that bestiality may be punished much more harshly than say killing the animal. Different states probably treat them in different ways.
Why is it your business? Hypothetically, let's say you have kids and this guy is your neighbor. Would it then become your business if he exposed himself to your children? Or something worse? I mean, that's not too much of a stretch for someone who is OK having sex with animals. Are you willing to trade that experience of your children's to justify your belief that the previous animal-related offenses weren't your business and therefore were fine being left unpunished?
If you knew your neighbor was a burglar who broke into people's houses in your neighborhood but he hadn't burglarized your house yet, are you cool with it because he hasn't done anything that affected you directly?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that people should be punished for crimes they might commit in the future. I'm just giving you a reason to re-think your position that you shouldn't care and that it's "not your business."
I remember being involved in a thread where the OP asked if they should get involved in a situation that they were pretty sure involved a stolen car (not the OPs). He was asking advice and what other people would do. I was amazed by the amount of responses that equated to "not your problem. Don't do anything." One person said "I'm a libertarian, so I wouldn't get involved."
I believe my response was "you sound like a shitty libertarian neighbor."
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:56 am to UGATiger26
quote:
Would it then become your business if he exposed himself to your children? Or something worse? I mean, that's not too much of a stretch for someone who is OK having sex with animals
I've noticed that lots of posters want to go so far to the side of," live and let live" or " it's no business of mine what they do", that it makes them say some very stupid things and defend some very disturbing behaviors. One can be a libertarian without protecting sick freaks.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:02 am to Revelator
quote:
You said you didn't care if you had a neighbor like this, which is a separate issue than if a person doing this should go to jail or not. A person that exhibits behavior like this is messed up in the head and to me, he could be dangerous. I certainly wouldn't want him as a neighbor if I had kids! I don't understand such a complacent attitude about having such a whacko as your neighbor? This is a sick sex offender.
Someone who exhibits this behavior has not been shown to be any more dangerous than the average person. I'm googgling bestiality sex offenders and I don't think I ran across a dangerous one yet. Also, you are labeling them as sex offenders, which means you believe its a criminal offense, so what do you believe the punishment should be.
*FYI public urination makes you a sex offender in the eyes of the law*
*There are also like 15 states include Virginia, Texas, and Ohio in which Zoophilia is perfectly legal*
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:15 am to Socratics
quote:
Someone who exhibits this behavior has not been shown to be any more dangerous than the average person.
So you'd let this guy babysit your 10 year old daughter?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:21 am to Revelator
Without doubt I'm with Revelator on this one. Perversion is bleeding into our society. When nobody sees the problem with that we are in trouble.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:46 am to UGATiger26
quote:
Regarding bestiality? Because it is essentially cruelty to animals
:kige:
Posted on 1/6/14 at 6:54 am to Socratics
I'm socially liberal and libertarian as frick and I really don't have a problem with bestiality laws as they are.
Animals may be property but they aren't just any kind of property, they are living breathing things that possess some sense of self awareness and they need to be treated humanely with respect.
Animals may be property but they aren't just any kind of property, they are living breathing things that possess some sense of self awareness and they need to be treated humanely with respect.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 7:01 am to Socratics
how in the hell do you have sex with a cat?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 7:24 am to Sentrius
quote:
Animals may be property but they aren't just any kind of property, they are living breathing things that possess some sense of self awareness and they need to be treated humanely with respect.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 7:43 am to Socratics
While both are reprehensible, I think that having sex with a cat is worse than beating a cat. After all—and I'm sure Revelator will agree—having sex with a cat can lead to things like homosexuality.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 7:47 am to ballscaster
quote:
having sex with a cat can lead to things like homosexuality.
or drinking beer
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:13 am to germandawg
Re the comment that "it's my property & I can do anything I want to it". So,in this context, you feel it is perfectlyok..and legal...to put a cat in a microwave? Or set a puppy on fire? People like you are the reasons society needs laws to protect animals. And animal abuse is against the law.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:22 am to Keltic Tiger
Yes. The "it's my property" argument is nonsensical. Cruelty to animals, especially to this level, is inhumane, a crime against nature, and an act against a universally-accepted, civilized, moral standard. The state has the right and obligation to act against this crime regardless of animal ownership.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:24 am to SpartyGator
quote:
Regarding bestiality? Because it is essentially cruelty to animals
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