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I'm hoping a Super Bowl will one day be decided by a controversial
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:05 am
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:05 am
60 yard pass interference penalty. Maybe then there will be an outcry for changing the worst rule in pro sports.
The rule doesn't make much competitive sense. For one thing, unlike holds and horse collars and face masks given less severe penalties, most PIs seem to be unintentional acts committed within the heat of competition. But, most importantly, there's no guarantee the receiver would have made such a long catch in the first place, particularly when the defensive back was close enough to make a legitimate play.
The yards granted are too cheap, especially in a league where receivers have a huge advantage in the first place. The college rule is much better: allow the db's the prerogative of giving up 15 yards instead of a long touchdown... that's a nice tactical element missing from the pro game.
The rule doesn't make much competitive sense. For one thing, unlike holds and horse collars and face masks given less severe penalties, most PIs seem to be unintentional acts committed within the heat of competition. But, most importantly, there's no guarantee the receiver would have made such a long catch in the first place, particularly when the defensive back was close enough to make a legitimate play.
The yards granted are too cheap, especially in a league where receivers have a huge advantage in the first place. The college rule is much better: allow the db's the prerogative of giving up 15 yards instead of a long touchdown... that's a nice tactical element missing from the pro game.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:09 am to Rex
Agree
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:09 am to Rex
Agree but 15 yards seems too short in some instances. What about half the distance of the play?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:10 am to Rex
I agree with everything you said, but I see why they keep it.. If DBs were down the field and knew they were beat they would just commit an intentional PI every time to avoid a catch. That just seems cheap.
There's an argument for both sides and there's really no right answer. It's dumb either way.
There's an argument for both sides and there's really no right answer. It's dumb either way.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:11 am to swampdawg
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that's a nice tactical element missing from the pro game.
Could not agree more. Is it just me or does it seem that the Saints, forever, always were on the short side of those penalties at the worst opportune moment.Our opponents not so much.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:12 am to Jake88
Half the distance is a great idea imo
I just hope that controversial call doesn't cost the Saints a Super Bowl
I just hope that controversial call doesn't cost the Saints a Super Bowl
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:12 am to Rex
Sorry disagree. Now they do need call it evenly through out the game.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:18 am to Rand AlThor
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If DBs were down the field and knew they were beat they would just commit an intentional PI every time to avoid a catch.
That doesn't happen with much frequency in the college game. And so what if it does? I like the tactics of it.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:20 am to rantfan
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Sorry disagree.
So, you're a fan of cheap yards. That one penalty equaled a full one sixth of all the yards Philly gained last night. Got it.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:28 am to Rex
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So, you're a fan of cheap yards.
Would this thread even been made if we were the beneficiary of the call ? Nope it would not.Now i totally agree that the Saints barely ever get the call their way.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:31 am to rantfan
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Would this thread even been made if we were the beneficiary of the call ? Nope
You're incorrect. I've made the same complaint multiple times regardless of the beneficiary.
It's the worst rule in pro sports.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:33 am to cuyahoga tiger
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Could not agree more. Is it just me or does it seem that the Saints, forever, always were on the short side of those penalties at the worst opportune moment.Our opponents not so much.
Just seemed like they were NEVER holding, but we sure did when it counted most. The zebras did everything they could to let Foles set up shop for as long as he needed. Very frustrating!
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:34 am to Rex
It's actually one of the most logical penalty results out there. Sucks when it happens to you, but it makes sense to me. On the other side, I believe offensive holding makes less sense.
Here is why: For PI you are basically saying the receiver was impeded for making the catch. Thus, if he wouldn't have been interfered he would have hypothetically caught the ball so they put the ball at the spot.
Offensive holding you penalize 10 yards from the previous spot. This is liberal as shite but I believe it should be a spot of the hold(of course unless it would advance the ball) and loss of down. When a team holds you are basically saying the running back or whoever gained yards that wouldn't have been gained otherwise. Thus, put him at the spot with a loss of down which is the theoretical result that would have happened had there been no hold.
Here is why: For PI you are basically saying the receiver was impeded for making the catch. Thus, if he wouldn't have been interfered he would have hypothetically caught the ball so they put the ball at the spot.
Offensive holding you penalize 10 yards from the previous spot. This is liberal as shite but I believe it should be a spot of the hold(of course unless it would advance the ball) and loss of down. When a team holds you are basically saying the running back or whoever gained yards that wouldn't have been gained otherwise. Thus, put him at the spot with a loss of down which is the theoretical result that would have happened had there been no hold.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:35 am to Rex
I was thinking the same thing last night. PI at point of foul can be devestating. Doesn't seem equitable when more dangerous fouls are exacted at a 15 yd maximum as someone else said.
Half the distance sounds reasonable but then the refs would have to exhibit their math skills ( or lack thereof).
Half the distance sounds reasonable but then the refs would have to exhibit their math skills ( or lack thereof).
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:38 am to LSUCouyon
I dont mind the penalty or the results but that wasnt a PI last night. It was closer to being offensive pass interference than defensive... such a bullshite call.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:39 am to Rex
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It's the worst rule in pro sports.
It would be very frustrating if Drew threw 30-40 yard passes down the field and all we got was 15 yards for it. Every corner in the league will just blantly foul the receiver amd get the 15 every time.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:42 am to Rand AlThor
quote:You mean like college? Which everyone seems to be happy with?
If DBs were down the field and knew they were beat they would just commit an intentional PI every time to avoid a catch.
There was an AFC Championship decided by two 50 yard PI penalties, 1995 San Diego vs Pittsburgh.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:42 am to rantfan
quote:This is always the counter, but is this a rampant issue in college and high school?
It would be very frustrating if Drew threw 30-40 yard passes down the field and all we got was 15 yards for it. Every corner in the league will just blantly foul the receiver amd get the 15 every time.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:43 am to Rex
If it would be called consistently, it would be OK.
Since most of the time it's a judgment call, it's inconsistent as hell. And the refs overall are bad, so their judgment is suspect.
Since most of the time it's a judgment call, it's inconsistent as hell. And the refs overall are bad, so their judgment is suspect.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:44 am to rantfan
I think anything over 30 yards should be a 30 harder. It's a low percentage play when you just bomb it 60 yards up and guys are both searching for the ball in the air. Often the db just bumps the wr in the process fairly incidentally or in adjusting to the ball and it is called.
I wouldn't be against having 2 levels of PI where when a db is beat and blatantly tackles the wr it's a spot foul. It's a subjective call anyway and I think it would actually be easier on the refs to call a blatant one as opposed to incidental contact.
I wouldn't be against having 2 levels of PI where when a db is beat and blatantly tackles the wr it's a spot foul. It's a subjective call anyway and I think it would actually be easier on the refs to call a blatant one as opposed to incidental contact.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 9:45 am
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