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re: NFL "Late Round" Rookie Salary Differences: 2008 to 2013
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Also. In 09 we had a massively talented recruiting class. Everyone of those guys were ballers. Ranked number 1 class by espn and number 2 by just about every other service.
All those guys are gone, all those guys were talented enough to have a way above average shot at the league coming out of high school. There is the bulk of the recent defectors.
Minter 4th mike backer rated nationally
Mingo/Montgomery/rasco/hunter/Allen top 7 DEs
Ford/ware top 5 RBs coming out
Faulk/La'el/ Alexander top 8 oline coming out
Freak/ego/brockers etc. top 5 coming out. Logan was not. Improved his stock by coming back.
Not even doing wr's/secondary/skill positions. My point? We have had enormously talented individuals being recruited that can play ball in the league. Most other schools don't have that problem. Now that that 09 class is gone, you will see less and less go because the talent is not there like before.
The recruiting class this year while good and probably top 5 is still a disappointment. We are relying on out of state blue chips instead of ones in our own fricking back yard. WHY?
LSU fans ridicule LSU and miles more then anyone. That is why.
All those guys are gone, all those guys were talented enough to have a way above average shot at the league coming out of high school. There is the bulk of the recent defectors.
Minter 4th mike backer rated nationally
Mingo/Montgomery/rasco/hunter/Allen top 7 DEs
Ford/ware top 5 RBs coming out
Faulk/La'el/ Alexander top 8 oline coming out
Freak/ego/brockers etc. top 5 coming out. Logan was not. Improved his stock by coming back.
Not even doing wr's/secondary/skill positions. My point? We have had enormously talented individuals being recruited that can play ball in the league. Most other schools don't have that problem. Now that that 09 class is gone, you will see less and less go because the talent is not there like before.
The recruiting class this year while good and probably top 5 is still a disappointment. We are relying on out of state blue chips instead of ones in our own fricking back yard. WHY?
LSU fans ridicule LSU and miles more then anyone. That is why.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why didn't they pick him in round 1, especially if they needed a QB?
4 times now. They just signed Matt Flynn to a large contract with guarantees. The other guys are now starters so they obviously needed them too.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:39 pm to OceanMan
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They just signed Matt Flynn to a large contract with guarantees.
so they didn't need a QB?
this shows that they needed a QB? and spent a 3rd rounder on one?
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't see any arguments about the CBA
I assumed from my previous posts that you knew I believe that there is virtually no difference in 2-7 round contracts and that players know they have to start the "2nd contract clock" as soon as possible. If you are draftable and not a first rounder with no chance of moving into the first round, why stay??? Can you explain how any of those players would've definitively benefited from staying in school. They all made a nice living last year.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:42 pm to dreaux
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People are acting like 100k and 200k a year difference is no big deal.
I am with you. Everyone keeps talking about this 2nd contract like any arse hole that declares for the Draft will get it. shite there is no guarantee you will even make a roster and make any money.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so they didn't need a QB?
this shows that they needed a QB? and spent a 3rd rounder on one?
Again, not sure what you are getting at here.
They just signed a QB. There were other positions of need that they had to cover but thought highly enough of Wilson to Draft him when they did and possibly take a financial hit with Flynn if Wilson worked out which he did. Had nothing to do with him being fuing short.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:50 pm to OceanMan
you're making an argument based on "need" and then saying the seahawks both did and didn't need a QB 
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Thanks to #1pick Jamaica Russell for all this! Lol
Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you're making an argument based on "need" and then saying the seahawks both did and didn't need a QB
No, that is not what I am saying.
You said he only lasted that long, because he is short. You also said if they had the benefit of hindsight, they would have picked him in the first round.
My argument is that he did not last as long as he did because he is short. They still picked him fairly high, in the 3rd round, even given the fact that they picked 2 starters ahead of him (making that great defense of theirs that wins them games, better) and would take a financial hit on Flynn if Wilson worked out. It wasn't because he was short, there were other factors at play.
Is that really something you want to spend more time arguing about?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Colt Brennan
Miss him
Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:38 pm to bee Rye
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It's all about getting to the 2nd contract quicker. You should know better
And what percentage of 3rd round draft picks or below ever get to that "big" 2nd contract.
League minimums are good salaries but won't make many wealthy. Lots of vets are playing for something near minimums, although there aren't any HS hotshots who think they will be anything but superstars.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:47 pm to LongTime Tiger
quote:Relevance? Is the percentage for a 3rd round pick making it to a 2nd contract improved by staying in college for another year?
And what percentage of 3rd round draft picks or below ever get to that "big" 2nd contract.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 6:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Its getting the second contract and the fact some of these guys will never go in the first 3 rounds. No matter how ling they stay in school.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 6:39 pm to EarthwormJim
I get the "getting to the second contract reasoning" but how many free agents (who think they will be drafted) are still in the league in 5 years??? NFL -Not for long
Posted on 1/4/14 at 6:58 pm to Sal Minella
Really?
How about raising your draft stock so your 1st contract is for more than a mid-range Benz and a down payment on Momma's new house?
Oh yea, we forget. Maybe get closer to actually getting a degree that will help support your family when you washout of the NFL.
How about raising your draft stock so your 1st contract is for more than a mid-range Benz and a down payment on Momma's new house?
Oh yea, we forget. Maybe get closer to actually getting a degree that will help support your family when you washout of the NFL.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:SFP, the RoT used to be "Stay in school" until you gain 1st round status or are done with eligibility. That was because 1st rounder got big bucks. That era is over. Disincentivizes players staying in school as long as they can make an NFL roster.
So there is not a noticeable difference in the rookie contracts you found pre-CBA and post-CBA. The CBA did not markedly affect the guaranteed money late-round picks receive. Hell, the differences in signing bonus don't even appear to be rising with standard inflation.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 8:07 pm to LongTime Tiger
Don't get upset with me. I didn't create the system. Tell me how staying will get you the noticeably bigger 1st contract within the new CBA.
And I was responding to your comment on the percentage of players who make it to a second contract. You didn't answer my question on how staying in college raises that percentage.
The degree issue is bogus. Those who want a degree get one. Making a million in 2 years…how long does it take the average college grad to make his first million?
And I was responding to your comment on the percentage of players who make it to a second contract. You didn't answer my question on how staying in college raises that percentage.
The degree issue is bogus. Those who want a degree get one. Making a million in 2 years…how long does it take the average college grad to make his first million?
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 1/4/14 at 8:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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SFP, the RoT used to be "Stay in school" until you gain 1st round status or are done with eligibility. That was because 1st rounder got big bucks. That era is over. Disincentivizes players staying in school as long as they can make an NFL roster.
the guys i'm discussing never had that issue
it was always 4th round at best
Posted on 1/4/14 at 11:19 pm to Sterling Archer
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I can't think of any guy coming back to school that improved his draft status.
How about Mett?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nothing really. What has changed are the benefits of going high in the draft. Unless you believe you will be a top 15 pick by staying in school, then there is no significant financial benefit to playing another year of college football. 5th round this year is not significantly worse than 2nd round next year. So you might as well go now and get closer to that second contract. Under the old CBA 2nd round next year was significantly better than 5th round this year, so returning made more sense.
what has changed for late round picks?
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