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re: NFL "Late Round" Rookie Salary Differences: 2008 to 2013
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there was almost 100 picks between those guys and russell wilson
72 is not almost 100 either. Buth this kind of oversimplification/lack of thought explains many of the positions you have taken.
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:05 pm to OceanMan
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72 is not almost 100 either. Buth this kind of oversimplification/lack of thought explains many of the positions you have taken.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:07 pm to SettleDown
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shite, even if you consider education important. The amount you'll make if you make a roster for even a bit will easily pay for another year of school.
Yep. Financially, it is a no-brainer if you can actually make a team (or even a scout team).
Add in that a lot of these kids come from economically poor households and it emphasizes the financial component.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if seattle knew now what they knew then (only in terms of how he'd be as an NFL QB), and they were the only team to know this future, would he last until their 3rd pick? no
Dude what? What on earth does this have to do with your point that if he were taller he would be picked higher?
I would say that this is an OBVIOUS statement, other than the fact that their other 2 picks are currently starters at their positions as well. We never got to see Flynn in Seattle so its hard to answer that question.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Interesting how the narrative has changed from a few years ago when people were all up in arms about miles not playing young talent. Now it is used against him that he is playing young talent. 
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:08 pm to SettleDown
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The amount you'll make if you make a roster for even a bit will easily pay for another year of school.
These kinds of kids will not like school when they are no longer a student athlete
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:10 pm to BeeFense5
quote:LOL. True.
Interesting how the narrative has changed from a few years ago when people were all up in arms about miles not playing young talent. Now it is used against him that he is playing young talen
My main beef with Miles on playing people is his seeming utter refusal in blowout games to get the backup QB in early enough to get significant game speed time.
Seems silly to me because it 1, increases the odds of a silly injury to your starter and 2, leaves you with Mr. Greenhorn if your QB does get hurt.
Really goes beyond QB too but QB is the most affected by it.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:11 pm to SettleDown
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My main beef with Miles on playing people is his seeming utter refusal in blowout games to get the backup QB in early enough to get significant game speed time. Seems silly to me because it 1, increases the odds of a silly injury to your starter and 2, leaves you with Mr. Greenhorn if your QB does get hurt.
I agree
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:12 pm to Sal Minella
I wonder what % of players even MAKE IT to a second contract before they get cut or injured. Makes sense to me anyway, to stay as long as possible and make as much as you can on a GUARANTEED first contract.
People are acting like 100k and 200k a year difference is no big deal.
HOLY frick.
People are acting like 100k and 200k a year difference is no big deal.
HOLY frick.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:12 pm to OceanMan
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What on earth does this have to do with your point that if he were taller he would be picked higher?
the only reason he slid was b/c of his height. he didn't have prototypical physical tools
that's the major factor int eh NFL draft
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:13 pm to BeeFense5
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Interesting how the narrative has changed from a few years ago when people were all up in arms about miles not playing young talent. Now it is used against him that he is playing young talent.
who is criticizing miles for playing young talent?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the only reason he slid was b/c of his height. he didn't have prototypical physical tools
I would argue that at least 3 of the 5 picked ahead of him were and may still be viewed as having better QB skills. You are ignoring team needs, including Seattles, to make your point.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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some guys couldn't leave just yet
Mingo, Minter, Logan, Montgomery, Faulk and Ford could've left after the 2011 season.
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once PP7 left, the floodgates opened
2013 - 9
2012 - 3
2011 - 2 (PP7 & Ridley)
When you look at the fact that at some point 4 of the 9 in 2013 (Mingo, Reid, Minter & Montgomery) were listed as potential 1st rounders, you are left to question the moves of Logan, Simon, Ware, Faulk & Ford. (Wing & Mathieu were off the team)
Simon - who knows what exactly went into his decision but he wasn't going to vault from the 5th round to the 1st or 2nd so why wait?
Ware - in a huge stable of running backs. If he projects as a 6th rounder and only 7 running backs were picked in the first 3 rounds of the 2012 draft, why wait?
Faulk - was he going to get better in LSU's training room or perhaps a NFL training room?
Ford - see Ware.
Again, can someone make an argument why they would stay other than for our entertainment?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:20 pm to OceanMan
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I would argue that at least 3 of the 5 picked ahead of him were and may still be viewed as having better QB skills.
skills? like accuracy? reading defenses? footwork?
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You are ignoring team needs,
3 QBs went between the golden 2 and wilson. none are close to being as good as wilson
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You are ignoring team needs, including Seattles, to make your point.
they picked a QB in the top 3 rounds. i don't even know what you're trying to say
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:21 pm to dreaux
quote:Not much guarantees or escalators in rookie contracts anymore, basically signing bonuses are the only wiggle room for rookie contracts.
GUARANTEED first contract
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:21 pm to Sal Minella
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Simon - who knows what exactly went into his decision but he wasn't going to vault from the 5th round to the 1st or 2nd so why wait?
Ware - in a huge stable of running backs. If he projects as a 6th rounder and only 7 running backs were picked in the first 3 rounds of the 2012 draft, why wait?
Faulk - was he going to get better in LSU's training room or perhaps a NFL training room?
Ford - see Ware.
i don't see any arguments about the CBA
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they picked a QB in the top 3 rounds. i don't even know what you're trying to say
I have said it 3x now, they just signed Flynn, and still picked him with their 3rd pick, after 2 eventual starters, they obviously thought highly of him.
Further, Wilson started like 4 years in college. He was always pretty good, but never looked like a pro bowl type guy like he has this year, and it wasn't because he was a couple inches shorter than ideal.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bama sells titles and domination. LSU sells putting you in the pros in 3 years. see the difference?
You sure about this? LINK
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Pulling the top recruit from Louisiana away from LSU is no easy task, but it's one that Nick Saban has pulled off before when he landed Landon Collins in 2012. Despite being a Louisiana native, Robinson has numerous connections at Alabama, including close friendships with wide receiver Cameron Sims, who recently committed to the Tide, and Calera star Ronnie Clark, a top Alabama target. In the end, Alabama's recent record of sending offensive linemen to the NFL may be the Tide's trump card for landing the nation's top recruit.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:30 pm to OceanMan
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and still picked him with their 3rd pick, after 2 eventual starters, they obviously thought highly of him.
and if they were drafting for needs, and they knew he'd be this good, they'd have picked him in round 1
why didn't they pick him in round 1, especially if they needed a QB?
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Further, Wilson started like 4 years in college. He was always pretty good,
i think he has the highest NCAA QB rating ever, his final year
Posted on 1/4/14 at 2:31 pm to Sal Minella
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You sure about this?
no. i said it was a hypothetical "sell"
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