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Anyone involved in Direct Sales or Network Marketing?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:42 am
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:47 am to Neil Caffrey
I watched my in-laws almost lose everything in a network marketing scheme. Could not figure out for the life of me why after going through that they would do it again, then it hit me. Greed.
Wondering when this Advocare and Body by Vi crap is going to hit the fan myself.
Wondering when this Advocare and Body by Vi crap is going to hit the fan myself.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:58 am to anc
Im a carsalesmen. Same thing. haha
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:02 am to anc
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:16 am to Neil Caffrey
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Its amazing how easy it is and how well it works!
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Neil Caffrey
Posted on 1/3/14 at 11:20 am to anc
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Advocare and Body by Vi
You think it will go away completely?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:02 pm to Paul Allen
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You think it will go away completely?
I don't know, but their business model is basically the same ol' multi level marketing tactics that were rampant in the 90s. At some point either people are going to move on from the product or they are going to run out of people to buy the product. Both are disastrous.
What I am starting to see is the redneck white trash with no sales experience on my FB feed is getting involved with Advocare. Possibly scraping the bottom of the barrel, so to say.
Just an observation. If someone is making money doing it and is not breaking the law, I can respect that - but its been pushed to me by a dozen different people, and my research says that it only works if you can get people, not sell product.
As far as how my in-laws lost everything, they fell into the same trap - at first it was a small investment of cash and large investment of time. They were going to Days Inn conference rooms and making sales pitches and getting 20 people to sign up and getting a nice check back. Then they would go and buy a car they couldn't afford.
Then they would go to a Marriott conference room, make a sales pitch and get 100 people to sign up. Then they went and bought a house they couldn't afford.
Then they both quit their jobs and would go to another hotel conference room and get 150 people to sign up.
Another boat, a truck to pull it.
And then all of a sudden the company went under, and they had no way to make the payments on any of it.
It wasn't exactly the network marketing that caused it, it was the promises of the riches combined with their greed. But they wouldn't have gone through all of that if they wouldn't have been sold a bad bill of goods.
That's why they have a bad rep - and that's the question you asked.
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:42 pm to Paul Allen
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You think it will go away completely?
From a 2013 Press Release from ViSalus, the company behind Body by Vi.
"ViSalus had over 57,000 qualified independent promoters in North America at the end of the second quarter compared to over 70,000 promoters at the end of the first quarter. The Company also has nearly 4,000 qualified promoters internationally. Prior year second quarter ending promoter count was over 114,000."
That's exactly a drop in half in one year (>114K to >57K). They make it sound like it easy to recruit a team, but with more people leaving than joining, clearly getting people to join is a very difficult task. If everyone in was able to recruit only one person, distributors would double, but instead it is going in half. What are the odds that you are going to be able to recruit 3 who recruit 3 who recruit 3, etc.? Essentially zero.
Quite simply, if you work for a company who profits from their employees instead of enriches them, you need to get out.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:42 pm to anc
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 12:53 pm to Neil Caffrey
What's happening is exactly what happened to my in-laws.
These companies need people to operate. Without people, they don't make money. Body by Vi, for instance requires their "workforce" to pay $39/month for a website and propaganda magazine (called "Success") and buy $125 worth of products. You have to sell $500 worth of products just to break even, and the average distributor sells under $450.
In order to get people, they need people to react. People react to success. Big houses, flashy cars, etc. Ever wonder why Mary Kay "gives" a pink Cadillac and Body by Vi "gives" a black BMW 5 series to their top people? Its because people look at the BMW and they want it.
Technically, both places do not give the cars, they give the people a bonus as long as they hit certain numbers that will cover a lease payment that you have to secure personally.
My only expertise is the research and time that I had to spend bailing my in-laws out. They lost their jobs, home, cars, and friends because people just got tired of them always pushing crap on them.
Just be careful. Like I said, if a company profits from its employees more than its products, then something is afoot.
These companies need people to operate. Without people, they don't make money. Body by Vi, for instance requires their "workforce" to pay $39/month for a website and propaganda magazine (called "Success") and buy $125 worth of products. You have to sell $500 worth of products just to break even, and the average distributor sells under $450.
In order to get people, they need people to react. People react to success. Big houses, flashy cars, etc. Ever wonder why Mary Kay "gives" a pink Cadillac and Body by Vi "gives" a black BMW 5 series to their top people? Its because people look at the BMW and they want it.
Technically, both places do not give the cars, they give the people a bonus as long as they hit certain numbers that will cover a lease payment that you have to secure personally.
My only expertise is the research and time that I had to spend bailing my in-laws out. They lost their jobs, home, cars, and friends because people just got tired of them always pushing crap on them.
Just be careful. Like I said, if a company profits from its employees more than its products, then something is afoot.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 1:37 pm to Neil Caffrey
quote:Because many people's experiences with these type of companies are similar. Constantly pushing the product to the point where it is all someone talks and care about and many relationships are ruined.
guess I just don't see why so many people give the industry a bad reputation. Its pretty black and white to me - talk to people about your product, if they like it, great, if not, thats fine as well; just don't go bashing the industry because someone you know had a bad experience.
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 5:28 pm to Neil Caffrey
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Neil Caffrey
Best Troll Ever...People don't even realize who Neil Caffery is..
Posted on 1/3/14 at 9:10 pm to GrammarKnotsi
Zija is another one that seems to be growing as well.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 9:18 pm to Neil Caffrey
Advocare and Vi I can kind of understand those products.
LIMU? GTFO
LIMU? GTFO
Posted on 1/3/14 at 10:33 pm to Neil Caffrey
It just seems like a lot of my friends go into these types of jobs and end up just peddling life insurance to their parents friends. Just feels like kind of a cop out gig in some instances.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 12:03 am to Neil Caffrey
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The company that I joined is relatively new by industry standards (2 years old) and not many people have heard about it.
Ya, Nerium still seems to be growing quite a bit. If you get in early you can make good money for a while, just not forever. Hard to say what part of the growth curve they are on though.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 5:57 am to Neil Caffrey
Because something like 98% of the people who join these things never make any money. The products are overpriced, you dont make real money unless you recruit people, most people arent very good salesmen, you have to pay your way in and buy stuff every month, plus many of these companies only last a few years. Sometimes the guys who started one of these that failed go off and start another one. Its like a cult to many of them.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:39 pm to Neil Caffrey
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If someone happens to be making money in a multi-level marketing scheme, which is pretty rare, it will usually stop when the market base of friends and relatives is exhausted.
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How come people are so negative towards this industry?
If someone happens to be making money in a multi-level marketing scheme, which is pretty rare, it will usually stop when the market base of friends and relatives is exhausted.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 6:29 am to Neil Caffrey
People simply do not understand it or tend to fail because they don't treat it as a Business. Then they go around saying it's a scam when it's their own actions that made them fail.
I am Successful in this industry and was inspired by a friend in which I didn't believe in at first....
After 2 years he was making the same amount of money I was but I was working full-time he wasn't...
Also people tend to get annoyed at people in this industry because there are so many amateurs that go around and constantly ANNOY their friends and family... They refuse to take no for an answer and just constantly try to get them involved and gets them distant from their family and friends...
PROFESSIONALS spend the TIME to get the SKILLS to be able to succeed in this industry. They understand that it takes time to succeed and a lot of effort and time needs to be spent.
The reason why people fail is because they think it's easy.... They get into the business easily and they get out easily...
It is in no way in hell an easy industry! BUT it is a worth it once you know what you are doing...
The person above my also thinks that you need to drain all your family and friends... I actually have never sponsored any of my friends... Not even anyone from my state for that matter...
Every single person on my team has either Found me or I have connected with online.
A bit of a long message but hopefully people will get a better understanding of network marketing.... There are way too many amateurs in the industry giving it a bad name because they try to take shortcuts...
I am Successful in this industry and was inspired by a friend in which I didn't believe in at first....
After 2 years he was making the same amount of money I was but I was working full-time he wasn't...
Also people tend to get annoyed at people in this industry because there are so many amateurs that go around and constantly ANNOY their friends and family... They refuse to take no for an answer and just constantly try to get them involved and gets them distant from their family and friends...
PROFESSIONALS spend the TIME to get the SKILLS to be able to succeed in this industry. They understand that it takes time to succeed and a lot of effort and time needs to be spent.
The reason why people fail is because they think it's easy.... They get into the business easily and they get out easily...
It is in no way in hell an easy industry! BUT it is a worth it once you know what you are doing...
The person above my also thinks that you need to drain all your family and friends... I actually have never sponsored any of my friends... Not even anyone from my state for that matter...
Every single person on my team has either Found me or I have connected with online.
A bit of a long message but hopefully people will get a better understanding of network marketing.... There are way too many amateurs in the industry giving it a bad name because they try to take shortcuts...
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