Everybody needs to take a moment and gain some perspective...

All that is correct EXCEPT

There seems to be this thing to not just go out of state, but to hurt the LSU program bad misleading the coaches.

That is not cool by an instate kid.

All true. But lets get off our butt and spend the time, effort and money to become a national recruiting power and stop letting a few kids who leave the state determine our class. The fact is we spend one third what bama does. We offer fewer kids early than most of our competioning. Miles doesnt let his staff recruit the Fridays of home games and he himself is out fewer times during the season than most his peers. I hate to compare our effort to saban but we have to, unless 2nd or 3rd in the SEC is ok.

What I like about the class so far is that we have several incoming Freshmen that already have that leadership mentality and quality. Stand behind these young men because they will be the ones to lead us all. They feed off of the environment (as some of the commits said was the reason they are coming)so it's up to everyone to do their part.

This board is full of adults applying adult and team biased logic to the decisions of kids that, in many cases, are not truly certain of where they want to go to school. I would think that the reasons for the choices made by the NOLA and NLA kids that didn't pick LSU are varied.

Some folks on here look to the LSU staff as the one thing all of these kids decisions have in common and therefore think the staff didn't "do enough." Admittedly, maybe the staff could have pushed for McDowell and who knows what transpired with Laurence Jones, but given the staff's track record, I would think that there has been no lack of effort expended in recruiting the majority of these kids, especially the NOLA kids. I don't know how you demonstrate that you want a guy "more" when a large number of these guys always say when they commit that they are glad to have the process over.

The staff is going to have to figure out what/where they went wrong, evaluate recruiting tactics, strategy and adjust. The class will still be good, not as good as the lofty expectations established on here for over a year. Maybe, in looking at it through purple/gold glasses accompanied by a heavy dose of fan base arrogance, those expectations were always unrealistic.

I am no Miles lover/defender, but there's only so much a staff can do within the rules to influence a kid. The primary drivers of a kids decision are personal (either within himself, or his family). Staff can't control that (other than giving jobs to family members). Other "externals" are also out of the staff's control (fan attendance at home games, behavior on TD, scheduling [while they can influence it, they do not control this]).

As has been implied, as long as the staff plays by the rules, this will continue to happen.

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All true. But lets get off our butt and spend the time, effort and money to become a national recruiting power and stop letting a few kids who leave the state determine our class. The fact is we spend one third what bama does. We offer fewer kids early than most of our competioning. Miles doesnt let his staff recruit the Fridays of home games and he himself is out fewer times during the season than most his peers. I hate to compare our effort to saban but we have to, unless 2nd or 3rd in the SEC is ok.

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As they say, a house is only as good as its foundation. I think on the coach level, LSU is pretty much on par with Bama as per recruiting. What is fact is that LSU spends less money recruiting that probably almost all of our SEC main competitors. And considering our football program is the 4th most valuable, when you get a recruiting funds to income ratio, it gets ever lower.

Now a lot of that is determined by the wealth of talent in LA, but given the difficulty in landing some instate top talent, to replace that talent, you need to go far and wide.

Where we used a propeller King Air, that's not as impressive as a bizjet. Plus, an hour saved in a bizjet over a prop is an extra hour in the recruiting bank for coaches.

It's things like that where Bama leaves no stone unturned. They have countless ppl working every angle for every recruit. They hire HS coaches left and right to lure talent.

And that's just the legal stuff. What goes on under the table, we don't even know. Now - I NEVER want LSU to be dirty like Bama. But we probably could stand to beef up the legal recruiting efforts a bit.

Again, I think the coaches are working hard and doing a good job, but they need a little extra help on the little things.

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Something is amiss with LSU recruiting, period. I don't fault kids for wanting to leave at all. That said, Les misses on a lot of top in state kids year after year.

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You must be forgetting the 3 5* OOS recruits he has locked in. Along with Ed Paris who should be a 5* as well.

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It's an arms race at this point. If LSU cannot lock down its own state...the state that produces more NFL talent per capita than any other, then they will continue to play for third in the SEC west. Alabama's top 4 Crown Jewels of their class aren't even from Alabama. They are just cherryicking what they want. And of course 2 of them are 5 stars from Louisiana. People can sugar coat this any way they want but LSU is slipping. This is my point of view. So there's no need to insult me because I spoke out against the sunshine pumpers agenda.

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you're right, there's no need to insult you, the ignorance of your post stands on it's on.

Very well said. Many people on this board either:

(1) Didn't go to college
(2) Didn't go to LSU
(3) If went to LSU, had no other out of state options due do financials or lack of smarts
(4) Had opportunities to go out of state and chose LSU....kudos.
(5) Had opportunities to go out of state and did because it was the best choice for them to get away. Still are tiger fans, but got their education out of state.

Not sure why we would apply a different view to 18 yr old kids just because they are superb athletes.

people who say things that use common sense have no say here on TD!!!1!!