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Thinking about the ending of Inception....
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:30 am
Not what you think 
Watched it again the other day while sick on the couch, and for me, this is still movie perfection. I don't feel I'll ever get tired of watching it.
Anyways (I would put a spoiler alert, but if you haven't watched this movie yet, it's your own fault), when Cobb finally finds Saito and convinces him to come back..........and then they just wake up on the plane as if nothing has happened. I mean, there's no telling how much time has passed from them since they entered the dream. Saito is extremely old, so I guess it was at least 60 or 70 years. I can't even fathom going that long in a dream world and then waking up and carrying on with where you left off. I love the look on Cobb's face, trying to make sense of where he is.
Is it just assumed that the amount of time that passed for Saito was how long it took for Cobb to find him? That confused me a bit because Cobb is still young. Or does he still appear that way because he's aware he's in limbo?
And then Saito, after a brief moment of "what the hell", he immediately picks up the phone and makes the call. After all those years, you still remember that number? If my wife's number wasn't programmed in to my phone, I would have no way of contacting her
Watched it again the other day while sick on the couch, and for me, this is still movie perfection. I don't feel I'll ever get tired of watching it.
Anyways (I would put a spoiler alert, but if you haven't watched this movie yet, it's your own fault), when Cobb finally finds Saito and convinces him to come back..........and then they just wake up on the plane as if nothing has happened. I mean, there's no telling how much time has passed from them since they entered the dream. Saito is extremely old, so I guess it was at least 60 or 70 years. I can't even fathom going that long in a dream world and then waking up and carrying on with where you left off. I love the look on Cobb's face, trying to make sense of where he is.
Is it just assumed that the amount of time that passed for Saito was how long it took for Cobb to find him? That confused me a bit because Cobb is still young. Or does he still appear that way because he's aware he's in limbo?
And then Saito, after a brief moment of "what the hell", he immediately picks up the phone and makes the call. After all those years, you still remember that number? If my wife's number wasn't programmed in to my phone, I would have no way of contacting her
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:36 am to sicboy
I thought Saito dropped one level lower than Cobb, when Saito died in the snow level.
As far as the number, the appearance is just that. Once he sees Cobb, the cobwebs clear and his memory comes back, and Saito remembers the mission.
As far as the number, the appearance is just that. Once he sees Cobb, the cobwebs clear and his memory comes back, and Saito remembers the mission.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:38 am to sicboy
Seems like the whole idea of Inception is based within the mind. So even though it has seemed like decades for Saito, once he wakes up, it has only really been a couple of hours that he was asleep.
At least that's what I'm thinking after reading your post and not putting too much thought into it. Also, it's been a while since I've seen the movie, so I could be missing/forgetting something.
At least that's what I'm thinking after reading your post and not putting too much thought into it. Also, it's been a while since I've seen the movie, so I could be missing/forgetting something.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:38 am to sicboy
I always thought they were independent planes. IOW, Cobb knew it was a dream, so he could pass between the worlds in Saito's mind. Saito, OTOH, was trapped and forced to live within his dream. Two different frames of reference.
And remember the compression of time because of the levels they were in Saitos mind. That 70 years was like a millisecond real time.
And remember the compression of time because of the levels they were in Saitos mind. That 70 years was like a millisecond real time.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:43 am to elprez00
But I thought that 50 years is still 50 years. You don't physically live through that, but in your mind, that time has still passed. Cobb was telling Ariadne the story of when him and Mal spent 50 years there and wasn't there a line like "imagine waking up after all that time and trying to go about your normal life" or something to that effect? I guess all of that memory could snap back to you (I know it's just a movie), but to me, I would be lost trying to remember all the details about my life I haven't experienced in a really long time.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:49 am to sicboy
But the lower levels are basically exponential to the levels above them. So the 50 years at the bottom are only a few years one step up, which is only like a few hours one step up, which is only a few minutes another step up, etc. So even though it "feels" in your mind like you've been gone for 50 years, once you snap back up to the real time level, you'd realize it's only been a solid power nap. No?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:50 am to sicboy
another reason why this movie is just a bunch of crap. pretty to look at, but crap
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:52 am to sicboy
Perhaps Cobb's appearance in Saito's deep dream world reminds Saito that he is dreaming. When he wakes up on the plane, he is disoriented--much like I have been after an intense dream--sees Cobb and realizes that he was dreaming, immediately snapping him into reality. The characters often talk about how dangerous it is to let a mark realize they are dreaming. However, to save Saito, Cobb's only chance to get him out of that dream world is to help him realize that he is dreaming.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:53 am to CocomoLSU
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So even though it "feels" in your mind like you've been gone for 50 years, once you snap back up to the real time level, you'd realize it's only been a solid power nap. No?
Right. Rememebr, the entire caper took place in what amounted to a 15 min van chase in the first level of the dream.
From wiki
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Due to the effects of heavy sedation and multi-layered dreaming, death during this mission will result in entering Limbo, dream space of unknown content where the dreamer could be trapped. Elapsed time in each dream level is roughly 20 times greater than in the level above it; in Limbo, the deepest level of all, the planned ten hours of outer-world time would be experienced as almost two centuries. Cobb reveals to Ariadne that he spent "50 years" with Mal in Limbo constructing a world from their shared memories while seemingly growing old together. Returning to the waking world, they found less than three hours had passed, but Mal, convinced she was still dreaming, committed suicide, all the while trying to persuade Cobb to do so by incriminating him in her death.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:53 am to CocomoLSU
Again, yes, they only experience the 10 hours physically on the top level, but remember when she was first tested with dreams. When she wakes up, Cobb says "give us another 5 minutes", and she exclaims "5 minutes? We were down there for at least an hour." So I'm pretty certain they still feel that time, even if it's just in their head. Then there's this exchange:
Yusuf: Brain function in the dream will be about twenty times to normal. When you enter a dream within that dream, the effect is compounded: it's three dreams, that's ten hours times twen...
Eames: I'm sorry, uh, maths was never my strong subject. How much time is that?
Cobb: It's a week the first level down. Six months the second level down, and... the third level...
Ariadne: ...is ten years! Who would wanna be stuck in a dream for ten years?
Yusuf: Depends on the dream.
That legit scared her.
Yusuf: Brain function in the dream will be about twenty times to normal. When you enter a dream within that dream, the effect is compounded: it's three dreams, that's ten hours times twen...
Eames: I'm sorry, uh, maths was never my strong subject. How much time is that?
Cobb: It's a week the first level down. Six months the second level down, and... the third level...
Ariadne: ...is ten years! Who would wanna be stuck in a dream for ten years?
Yusuf: Depends on the dream.
That legit scared her.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:56 am to sicboy
Also, they talked about being stuck in limbo for so long your brain would turn to mush. So it does affect you.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:04 am to Tiger Ryno
I'm castying you right now
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:19 am to sicboy
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movie perfection
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:28 am to Patrick_Bateman
My wife laughs at me, but this movie always gets an emotional response from me at the end. That moment when he wakes up, to him nervously going through customs, and then seeing everyone casually nod to him as he goes to meet his FIL and then to his children, with "Time" playing in the background. It gets dusty for me
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:55 am to sicboy
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And then Saito, after a brief moment of "what the hell", he immediately picks up the phone and makes the call. After all those years, you still remember that number? If my wife's number wasn't programmed in to my phone, I would have no way of contacting her
I've had dreams that have felt like extended periods of time and I've never forgotten who I am or the basic things about everyday life
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:00 am to sicboy
It was my understanding that they remember everything that happens in every dream. So if one dream lasted 50 years they would remember all of that and have a lifetime of memories. Same thing for all the levels.
The thing that always puzzled me was the levels. When they start at level one and have those memories, are the other levels already moving on? So is there a compounding memory surge when they wake up? Sorry if this is confusing but I'm starting to confuse myself typing this so I needed to stop.
The thing that always puzzled me was the levels. When they start at level one and have those memories, are the other levels already moving on? So is there a compounding memory surge when they wake up? Sorry if this is confusing but I'm starting to confuse myself typing this so I needed to stop.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:10 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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The thing that always puzzled me was the levels. When they start at level one and have those memories, are the other levels already moving on? So is there a compounding memory surge when they wake up?
No, they aren't always moving on...assuming that you basically mean "do the levels exist on their own and these people just appear in them?"
Remember they had to construct the different dream levels before they went in. Each creator of the dream level is the one who stayed behind to perform the kicks to drag everybody beneath them back up...Yusef created the rainy downtown, Arthur created the hotel, and Eames created the Bond-type snowy mountain.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:14 am to Freauxzen
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I've had dreams that have felt like extended periods of time
Like you felt you've been in one for 50 years?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:16 am to CocomoLSU
Was looking through some quotes on IMDB, and I can't believe I never caught this line from Eames
Arthur: What about his security? It's gonna get worse as we go deeper.
Cobb: I think we run with Mr. Charles.
Arthur: No.
Eames: Who's Mr. Charles?
Arthur: Bad idea.
Cobb: The second we get in that hotel with Fischer, his security is gonna be all over us. We run with Mr. Charles like we did on the Stein job.
Eames: So you've done it before?
Arthur: Yeah, and it didn't work. The subject realized he was dreaming and his subconscious tore us to pieces.
Eames: Excellent. But you learned a lot, right?
Arthur: What about his security? It's gonna get worse as we go deeper.
Cobb: I think we run with Mr. Charles.
Arthur: No.
Eames: Who's Mr. Charles?
Arthur: Bad idea.
Cobb: The second we get in that hotel with Fischer, his security is gonna be all over us. We run with Mr. Charles like we did on the Stein job.
Eames: So you've done it before?
Arthur: Yeah, and it didn't work. The subject realized he was dreaming and his subconscious tore us to pieces.
Eames: Excellent. But you learned a lot, right?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 10:21 am to sicboy
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Also, they talked about being stuck in limbo for so long your brain would turn to mush. So it does affect you.
Yeah, I think Saito is somehow like Cobb, though, and he wakes up, like Cobb did with Mal, knowing that he's back in reality and that he was in a dream doing a mission, that the plane they were on solidified that he was back in reality and that he still had other things to do. Mal couldn't handle the fifty years in a dream world. Saito could. They talk about how it was a big gamble going into limbo, but there was clearly precedent (Cobb himself) for coming out of limbo after an extended period of time and knowing what was real and what wasn't. So it's a bit of a reach, but it still fits within the storyline.
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