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The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:52 pm
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Great thoughts by David Horowitz, who was one of the founding fathers of the New Left that today rules over our country and our culture.
Great thoughts by David Horowitz, who was one of the founding fathers of the New Left that today rules over our country and our culture.
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:57 pm to Champagne
Posted on 12/30/13 at 8:51 pm to Zach
Horowitz explains the underlying reason for everything that's been going on in politics and society for the last 53 years and nobody but Zach and I are interested ?
Puzzling indeed.
Puzzling indeed.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:29 pm to Champagne
Thanks for the link. I saved the file and will definitely read it all soon, but from first glance it appears as though he (Horowitz) witnessed many of the things I did during that time frame.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:41 pm to Champagne
I never thought about Alinskyites as not having a goal beyond revolution.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:51 pm to NoNameNeeded
Read Radical Son. It will help you connect the cultural dots. A phenomenal book.
Then bookmark DiscoverTheNetworks.org
LINK
It's all there.
The frustration for people like Champagne and me is seeing those on OUR side of the debate who do not understand the Revolutionary nature of The Cultural Left. Or the nature of The term "FORWARD"and how it is essential to understanding the 100,000,000 dead in the 20th century.
Then bookmark DiscoverTheNetworks.org
LINK
It's all there.
The frustration for people like Champagne and me is seeing those on OUR side of the debate who do not understand the Revolutionary nature of The Cultural Left. Or the nature of The term "FORWARD"and how it is essential to understanding the 100,000,000 dead in the 20th century.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:56 pm to Champagne
I read the first 15 page and will read the rest later. Thanks for posting.
I know now why I cringe when I hear Obama or someone from Obama's entourage use the word "democracy".
I know now why I cringe when I hear Obama or someone from Obama's entourage use the word "democracy".
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:01 pm to Lsupimp
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Or the nature of The term "FORWARD"and how it is essential to understanding the 100,000,000 dead in the 20th century.
It's like they simply want to destroy civilizations, for sport.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:12 pm to TrueTiger
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It's like they simply want to destroy civilizations, for sport.
Nah, as the link in the OP stated "they" simply want power. To get power they have to bring the current power structure down. However, now they are a major part of the power structure because they have infiltrated it (mostly through government and education). Where they go next, IDK. I don't know what the progressive end game is. Maybe it's just holding on to and growing their power. But that will come with more and more tyranny. FORWARD!
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:15 pm to GumboPot
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Where they go next, IDK.
that's just it, beyond destruction and gaining power, there is no plan.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:22 pm to TrueTiger
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that's just it, beyond destruction and gaining power, there is no plan.
That is exactly right. Progressives are a cancer to this republic. The one thing that stands in their way is the the constitution and that is slowly slipping away. The irony is, is that they can't continue without their host, the producers. The future looks really grim with these kind of people in institutions of power.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:28 am to Champagne
I read the whole thing.
He describes in detail that which I've suspected for a long time. In particular how once a group is mobilized for something moderate like "pollution", then it's just a matter of steering them up the next rung to "political pollution" or "[insert anything] pollution".
It's also been apparent to me for a while that the true believers of the new left don't have a plan for what happens after they've taken down "the system". For them, it is enough that the "haves" are stripped of their power and wealth. After that I suspect there is some sort of perverse interest in seeing the former "haves" given their comeuppance. What that is is anybody's guess, but in the past it included people being lined up against a wall or on the edge of an open pit.
He describes in detail that which I've suspected for a long time. In particular how once a group is mobilized for something moderate like "pollution", then it's just a matter of steering them up the next rung to "political pollution" or "[insert anything] pollution".
It's also been apparent to me for a while that the true believers of the new left don't have a plan for what happens after they've taken down "the system". For them, it is enough that the "haves" are stripped of their power and wealth. After that I suspect there is some sort of perverse interest in seeing the former "haves" given their comeuppance. What that is is anybody's guess, but in the past it included people being lined up against a wall or on the edge of an open pit.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:59 am to ChoupiqueSacalait
There's a quote from my old 'don Juan' days that applies: "the art of a warrior is balance...".
The power invested in the Collective to shape both the cultural world/universe view, and the physical, everyday existence of the man on the street, will logically be that of the best minds/concepts that our kind has to offer. To the degree that those 'concepts' are accepted as truthful - I.e., good - they are then IMPOSED through all manner of religious and civil institutions.
Given the number of humans, and the impact of high tech...there is NO WAY that they can be left to run rogue with their 'freedom'. We won't last as long as a snoball in hell, into the near future. Neither can ideas which are REJECTED - especially those dealing with Religion and God given/Natural (economic/personal labor) rights - as false, pernicious or dangerous by a significant % of the populous be imposed by subtle or overt means, against the will of said populous. They want a 'revolution'...such is the path to it.
The bottom line is that platitudes won't cut...only EXPLANTIONS that convince the populous of the goodness of the concepts at issue. And the critical need for BALANCE in allowing individual freedom vs. imposing policies which "nudge" (Prog Rev./C. Sunstein's word
) simple folk like on this board toward survival and prosperity.
Balance. That's it.
The power invested in the Collective to shape both the cultural world/universe view, and the physical, everyday existence of the man on the street, will logically be that of the best minds/concepts that our kind has to offer. To the degree that those 'concepts' are accepted as truthful - I.e., good - they are then IMPOSED through all manner of religious and civil institutions.
Given the number of humans, and the impact of high tech...there is NO WAY that they can be left to run rogue with their 'freedom'. We won't last as long as a snoball in hell, into the near future. Neither can ideas which are REJECTED - especially those dealing with Religion and God given/Natural (economic/personal labor) rights - as false, pernicious or dangerous by a significant % of the populous be imposed by subtle or overt means, against the will of said populous. They want a 'revolution'...such is the path to it.
The bottom line is that platitudes won't cut...only EXPLANTIONS that convince the populous of the goodness of the concepts at issue. And the critical need for BALANCE in allowing individual freedom vs. imposing policies which "nudge" (Prog Rev./C. Sunstein's word
) simple folk like on this board toward survival and prosperity. Balance. That's it.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:03 am to RCDfan1950
Cass Sunstein, there's a good New Left apostle.
I really thought that Obama would have already put him on the Supreme Court by now.
I really thought that Obama would have already put him on the Supreme Court by now.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:16 am to RCDfan1950
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policies which "nudge" (Prog Rev./C. Sunstein's word ) simple folk like on this board toward survival and prosperity.
why does he think his policies do a better job at "nudging" than natural law?
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:21 am to Champagne
Now that the Filibuster is dead...he might give Cass a shot, C. Book it...they'll get bold in Obama's wanning dance.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:22 am to Champagne
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Horowitz explains the underlying reason for everything that's been going on in politics and society for the last 53 years and nobody but Zach and I are interested ?
Puzzling indeed.
It takes a while to read it, even briefly.
Their lack of a moral compass clearly explains their hatred toward those of us who have one (such as Phil Robertson). Having managed to sear their consciences with hot irons, they hate anyone trying to repair them.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 11:16 am to Champagne
Thanks for posting; I finished it last night and enjoyed it. I have always wanted to read Alinsky and this functioned both as primer and rebuttal.
One word of caution, though. It can be very easy for both liberals and conservatives to make the error of assuming some grand design on the other side. If you have a lot of liberal friends - in the real world - you readily know this is true. People are all over the place on the political spectrum. Be wary of Manichaean (sp?) "war" narratives.
One word of caution, though. It can be very easy for both liberals and conservatives to make the error of assuming some grand design on the other side. If you have a lot of liberal friends - in the real world - you readily know this is true. People are all over the place on the political spectrum. Be wary of Manichaean (sp?) "war" narratives.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:16 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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It can be very easy for both liberals and conservatives to make the error of assuming some grand design on the other side.
Indeed, this is an easy error to make. However, bear in mind that in Horowitz's case, he speaks from years of personal involvement in the New Left movement. He is one of the founders of the New Left, dating back to his college days in 1960.
David Horowitz himself describes "the grand design" of the true believers of the New Left, because he helped formulate the grand design.
None of the resident Obamabots and LibIdiots would ever admit that David Horowitz is correct. That's because they are either liars or useful idiots.
So, while I am glad to be reminded that we must be cautious when pondering any alleged "grand design" schemes of our political enemies, I would urge you to carefully consider whether Horowitz is completely correct with regard to the people who are ruling our country and controlling our culture.
Horowitz knows these people personally, because, he worked directly with many of them for years. His knowledge of the New Left is not academic. He WAS the New Left for many years.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:52 pm to Champagne
The 'grand design' is more likely a grab-bag of Alinsky low-blow political tactics employed by zealots who would go there whether Saul ever wrote it or not. Like the Islamist 'grand design'; it's there, obviously, but not like our effort to put a man on the moon.
The whole thing is a conglomeration of individuals who share like ideas in relation to validating their own chosen beliefs through a systematic imposition of those beliefs on others, whose freedoms and ideas are considered inferior, and dangerous to the Collective.
Like they old sayin...'your way, my way...and the right way'.
Happy New Year. The next one should be interesting.
The whole thing is a conglomeration of individuals who share like ideas in relation to validating their own chosen beliefs through a systematic imposition of those beliefs on others, whose freedoms and ideas are considered inferior, and dangerous to the Collective.
Like they old sayin...'your way, my way...and the right way'.
Happy New Year. The next one should be interesting.
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