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Libertarians: how much power should employers have in firing workers?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:37 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 3:37 am
Should private companies be allowed to fire workers over race or gender? Should there be laws that allow workers to be notified reasonably well before the decision is made?
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Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:11 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
is this question motivated by Phil Robertson? even in the least?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 4:18 am to WinnPtiger
quote:no, it is based off of an abc report i just watched on sudden firings
is this question motivated by Phil Robertson? even in the least?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 5:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Should private companies be allowed to fire workers over race or gender? Should there be laws that allow workers to be notified reasonably well before the decision is made?
Why would a company that is going to fire someone over race or gender hire that person in the first place?
No, there should not be a law dictating a company notify an employee they are going to be terminated. Such an employee could wreak havoc on a company. You can make an argument for required severance pay.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 6:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Should private companies be allowed to fire workers over race or gender? Should there be laws that allow workers to be notified reasonably well before the decision is made?
Why do you have to be a libertarian to believe that private individuals should be free to associate with whomever they choose? You don't have to be a libertarian to believe there is no constitutional support for aspects of the CRA.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 7:57 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Should private companies be allowed to fire workers over race or gender?
Was this company forced to hire these said employees purely on these features to fill some quota or were they hired on their talent/skill?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:10 am to GeauxWrek
Thats crazy. Racial and sexual discrimination is illegal and wrong. Companies have the right to terminate em0ployment at any time for cause. Fired for being black or woman is not cause.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:14 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
No doubt that firing a woman or racial minority solely on those grounds is wrong, but is being forced to hire them on those grounds a'okay?
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Should private companies be allowed to fire workers over race or gender?
That question doesn't make a great deal of sense. If I'm inclined to fire someone solely over their race or gender its highly unlikely I would have hired them in the first place.
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Should there be laws that allow workers to be notified reasonably well before the decision is made?
Good God no. If you're terminating employment you want that individual off your property immediately.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:20 am to Turbeauxdog
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Why do you have to be a libertarian to believe that private individuals should be free to associate with whomever they choose? You don't have to be a libertarian to believe there is no constitutional support for aspects of the CRA.
Calm down. He's asking Libertarians, not insinuating at any point that you have to be one to believe his original question.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:21 am to CollegeFBRules
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No doubt that firing a woman or racial minority solely on those grounds is wrong, but is being forced to hire them on those grounds a'okay?
Exactly.
If I am hiring for my own private company I will who and what I want. No government is going stop me hiring or forcing me to hire someone.
This post was edited on 12/27/13 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:29 am to unbeWEAVEable
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Calm down. He's asking Libertarians, not insinuating at any point that you have to be one to believe his original question.
If you want to say he's not directly associating the two, fine. But if you think he's not insinuating it, you are incorrect.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
As others have stated, a company should be able to hire and fire whomever it wants.
While it is a complicated issue, its not our business to directly to regulate hiring practices.
I am trying to think of a scenario that would allow your question to be an actual event.
So, lets assume some guy, who has a mixed labor force, sells his company to someone else. The new guy takes over and fires all women or people of a race that differs from his. That scenario presents a problem. However, I dont think the government should have to step in. Those employees could either campaign to the public to boycott or start their own company and compete against their ex-employeer...or just go find other work.
While it is a complicated issue, its not our business to directly to regulate hiring practices.
I am trying to think of a scenario that would allow your question to be an actual event.
So, lets assume some guy, who has a mixed labor force, sells his company to someone else. The new guy takes over and fires all women or people of a race that differs from his. That scenario presents a problem. However, I dont think the government should have to step in. Those employees could either campaign to the public to boycott or start their own company and compete against their ex-employeer...or just go find other work.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:41 am to Turbeauxdog
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Why do you have to be a libertarian to believe that private individuals should be free to associate with whomever they choose? You don't have to be a libertarian to believe there is no constitutional support for aspects of the CRA.
In a libertarian world would there be bankruptcy protection? I have always been of the opinion that an individual should be able to do anything they dam well please IF they were willing to forego their right to file for bankruptcy protection.
I also think this applies to using the state as muscle to collect debt. If you are willing to forego the right to ask the state to assist you in collecting bad debt then you should be allowed to conduct business in any manner you see fit. If you want to fire someone because they have changed their hair color more power to you, but when your piss poor business decisions bite you in the arse don't come crawling to the state begging for protection from your creditors and if you have a bad debt be responsible for collecting it one your own. If you going to be a self reliant rugged individual then be a self reliant rugged individual.....and good luck with bonding.....
Posted on 12/27/13 at 8:43 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Exactly.
If I am hiring for my own private company I will who and what I want. No government is going stop me hiring or forcing me to hire someone.
And contrary to popular opinion no government will attempt to do so. There is no such thing as a hiring quota....it is simply a myth akin to a unicorn.....
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:15 am to germandawg
they should be able to fire as they please.
Nobody successful in business is going to fire anyone based on race or gender. I am sure it happens but those companies don't last long.
You keep good talent.
Nobody successful in business is going to fire anyone based on race or gender. I am sure it happens but those companies don't last long.
You keep good talent.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:16 am to I B Freeman
If I own a business I should be able to do whatever the hell I want as long as I am not violating any agreed upon and signed contracts/oaths.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:29 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yes, employers should be allowed to fire anyone for anything.
Posted on 12/27/13 at 9:35 am to CollegeFBRules
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Why would a company that is going to fire someone over race or gender hire that person in the first place?
Legit question. But management can change
Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:35 am to Powerman
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