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re: XOM hit an all time high this morning, 12/26/13, at $100.23 (split adjusted)

Posted on 12/28/13 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by C
Houston
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 12:44 pm to
Wow that's a substantial amount of ignorance on display.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 1:05 pm to
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Why would they be buying back stock if they planned to split?
I don't even......
Posted by Ellakennedi
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 1:11 pm to
Idea of a stock buy back program is to reduce shares to bring stock price up... Correct? Split would do the oppisite.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 2:23 pm to
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to bring stock price up... Correct?
Correct.
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Split would do the oppisite.
Not correct.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 2:45 pm to
So where are we looking at split, and what kind of bump are we looking at the split. It splits around 105 and jumps to 58.5 or so?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 2:48 pm to
I don't know. But the dividend won't be cut in half. That alone gives the price a boost.
Posted by Ellakennedi
Member since Aug 2012
665 posts
Posted on 12/28/13 at 3:11 pm to
So a split wouldn't create more shares? Seems like they have been heading in a opposite direction for some time now.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 3:33 pm to
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So a split wouldn't create more shares
Yes. But it doesn't change EPS, after adjustment, like stock buy back programs do. Plus, splits usually include a dividend payout ratio increase while stock repurchase programs don't.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 4:17 pm to
I wouldn't be surprised at a 3:1
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 5:21 pm to
A 3:1 split would be a break from XOM's usual split policy.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 1:03 pm to
Anyone buying a stock solely because they anticipate a split is making a mistake.

Shares outstanding have nothing to do with the dividend payout ratio as one poster foolishly implied.

XOM has a very good record of paying dividends and increasing their dividend per share. They have made these dividend increases per share through actual payout of more dividend dollars and by reducing their outstanding share count through stock buybacks. Over the last ten years they have raised their dividend per share on average 9.4% annually. The lowest raise was 4.8% and the highest 17.8%.

They have not had a stock split since 2001.

Their payout ratio has had very wild swings that follow their earnings. For example their best year through 2012 was 2008 and they made $45.2 billion dollars and increased their dollars paid in dividends but their dividend payout ration was the lowest of the decade that year at 17.7%.

There is absolutely no reason for an investor to expect after a stock split XOM to increase the dollars in dividends they pay anymore than they normally would. In other words what ever dividend per share you expect to receive prior to a split, expect half of that after a 2:1 split.

XOM is a very good blue chip and there are lots of reasons to buy it--anticipating a stock split is not one of them. Anticipating a stock split and expecting the dividends per share to remain the same or to be something more than 1/2 of the previous dividend per share plus their normal increase is certainly not one of them.

Some good info here.
LINK

Here is chart illustrating how the payout ratio swings wildly depending on earnings.



Here is their SPLIT ADJUSTED dividend history. You can see that adjusted for the split in 2001 the dividend followed the historical dividend increase policy. Some might have assumed from previous posts on this thread the dividends per share were held constant in previous splits. Had they been held constant the per share dividend would have doubled in 2001.

LINK

Their split adjusted dividend in 2001 was 90 cents and in 2002 was 92 cents--actually lower than the increase of 9.4% of late.

This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 1:09 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:10 pm to
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A 3:1 split would be a break from XOM's usual split policy.
SO?!?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126826 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 2:37 pm to
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SO?!?

So, don't get your hopes up.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27813 posts
Posted on 12/29/13 at 5:49 pm to
XOM board has announced they are trying to return more earnings to stock holders and try to get more in line with industry standards (CVX, BP, Shell, COP). As long as they can afford it, I'd expect dividends to increase ~10% each year for the next few years.
Posted by HurricaneDunc
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:32 am to
Link to this announcement from the board?
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:47 am to
Think 100 shares of XOM today is the right move. Wish I would have grabbed more while it sat at $90 the past 2 years.
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 9:48 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27813 posts
Posted on 12/30/13 at 9:53 am to
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Link to this announcement from the board?


You're right. It wasn't a formal announcement from the board. More just from comments from the CEO and their subsequent actions.

This was his quote from early 2012 prior to the rate increase of +20% that year.
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"We are mindful of our competitiveness in the dividend area," Tillerson said at the NYSE. "We know we are on the low end of yield, certainly within our sector."



ETA: And if CVX keeps upping theirs +10%, XOM will do the same in response. They aren't making up much ground at the moment...
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 9:57 am
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:08 am to
what are your thoughts between CVX, XOM, and COP?

would you go equal percentage of each?

Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27813 posts
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:17 am to
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what are your thoughts between CVX, XOM, and COP?

would you go equal percentage of each?


I'm in the O&G business so I don't invest in them long term as I try to diversify my financial risk. I'm also negative on the future price of oil because I think exploration has been so profitable for a long period of time, we will see large amounts come on line in the future. I think XOM is a bigger natural gas player and may be better suited for longer term growth in that area if the price continues to increase. But I honestly have no clue what the future for any hold. I'm sure each will still be here in 50 years.
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