Throwing out W-L, what is the real expectations for the LSU football team?

Realistically, the expectation should be that the team competes well for the SEC West and, in turn, the SEC title. You win those, you're in the Natty.

I agree that the most realistic expectation is that we compete late in the season every year to get to Atlanta. The main goal in my mind is to win the SEC, and to win it, you have to get to Atlanta.

If you go back and look at it, we've made 3 SEC title games, and have been in the hunt in November for 3 additional years. We've only been "out" of the West race by November in 3 of Les' 9 seasons (2008, 2009, 2013).

Let's keep 'em.

Expectation is always to win the division first, and then to start looking toward other things.

LSU should almost always be in contention for the division.

This is where we are as a program.

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Realistically, the expectation should be that the team competes well for the SEC West and, in turn, the SEC title. You win those, you're in the Natty.

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We happen to be in the toughest division of the toughest conference in college football. I don't put the goal at a specific rank etc. I just want to be competitive. At our level we should certainly have a good chance to win the SEC pretty much every year.

I would like to think we'd be a part of the four-team playoff once every four years, which seems realistic and fair given how well we recruit.

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We should be regularly in in the new playoff. 1 out of 3 years at least.

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Wow

Well the seccg is the first weekend in December. So yeah we usually are out of the race come November. But really weren't our of it til the last weekend of every year except 2008, 2009, 2013. Even last year we were still in it until bama beat auburn.

West Title or BCS Type Bowl once every three years at worse. I think this is fair considering the resources and salaries. Being in the hunt isn't good enough

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I for one would just like for this team to be in the hunt for the SEC West Title year in year out. With the coaching salaries and the yearly recruiting outcomes, I don't think this is an unrealistic goal. Take care of the division, and things will fall into place for the bigger picture.

Also finishing in the Top 10-12 at the end of the season with a decent bowl game.

Finishing below 2nd in the West seems unacceptable for these teams, but it happens. What does everyone else say?

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LSU is hunting and competing, but not winning many SEC West titles lately.

That's perfectly fine and acceptable for all the pathetic "Low standards of Excellence" cheerleading losers, (The "That's OK. I'm satisfied. Remember the 90's. We'll be Fine" bunch. ) but totally unacceptable for the normal majority of the fan base that isn't plagued with self-esteem and other mental issues.

I'm not really interested in being locked behind Alabama and Auburn now in the West, nor should anybody that's in full control of their wits. That's why there's not much interest in the Bowl game right now or excitement for the program. Doesn't matter who we sign either, (Fournette, etc) because we know just exactly who and what we have on the sidelines and he'll find a way to will his team into 2-3 losses every season.

We'll see after the Steak Bowl just how serious Les Miles is about winning an SEC Championship, by if and how quickly he makes the much needed multiple staff changes that need to happen.