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Awful Announcing on the Saban-to-Texas debacle

Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:18 am
Posted by sbrian3915
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:18 am
LINK

This is a good analysis of the news cycle that caused the Saban to Texas rumor mongering.

The basic point is that the reporting of Saban to Texas came from journalists who you would not expect to have the access necessary to know what is going on, while the journalists who did have the access were not reporting the same things. People get sucked into such things because (1) on occasion, big stories get broken in weird places even though 95% of stories come from reporters who are expected to have the proper sourcing, and (2) people, especially people who spend a great deal of time on the net, are incredibly gullible, and don't do things like stop to wonder why a major story about Texas is broken by a TCU writer and not the Longhorn writer who has broken pretty much everything else in Austin lately.

Of course, here on Tiger Droppings, the runors were enhanced by overconfident arrogant Longhorn fans, incredibly defensive Crimson Tide fans, and Aggie and LSU Tiger fans whose only purpose was to troll and agitate and annoy the supporters of Bevo and Big Al because they all have a complex regarding Texas and Aalbama respectively.
Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:24 am to
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LSU Tiger fans whose only purpose was to troll and agitate and annoy the supporters of Bevo and Big Al




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because they all have a complex regarding Texas and Aalbama respectively


Wait...what? frick you.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:24 am to
Look at you being so above the fray. Good job, boy.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:24 am to
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and Aggie and LSU Tiger fans whose only purpose was to troll and agitate and annoy the supporters of Bevo and Big Al


Dude, I hope you are not advocating taking our fun away.
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 9:25 am
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:35 am to
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Dude, I hope you are not advocating taking our fun away.


Not at all, it just is what it is.

Lots of LSU people are still butthurt over what Saban did when he left for the Dolphins and promptly flopped. Combine that with the normal forces around a rivalry and you have the making of trolldom to the 10th power.

As far as the Aggie fans go, lots of them have an inferiority complex regarding Texas that is really hard to describe, and that leads to incredible trollness. Plus every Aggie fan I have ever met is just naturally crazy (in the good sports fan way).
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:40 am to
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This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 9:43 am
Posted by CollegeFBRules
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 9:50 am to
You're really an Alabama fan sporting the LSU logo, aren't you?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:03 am to
Your post makes me swell with pride.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:06 am to
One can be an LSU fan and still acknowledge that (a) LSU people troll Alabama people and vice versa, and (b) LSU fans tend to spend more time thinking about Nick Saban and Alabama than the other schools on the schedule. Every fanbase needs someone to hate, and Bama is the closest thing we have to a rival.

It's not nearly the Aggie obsession with Texas..that's just downright unhealthy.
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 10:07 am
Posted by Wallacewade04
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:14 am to
I would like an article on a recruiting web site sources versus the sources of a traditional journalist

we get most of these internet rumors from guys that run site like rivals, but who do they get their information from and when is that source reliable? can a guy who can give you the inside story on a 18 yr old kid give you similarly good info on a coaching change?
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:18 am to
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we get most of these internet rumors from guys that run site like rivals, but who do they get their information from and when is that source reliable? can a guy who can give you the inside story on a 18 yr old kid give you similarly good info on a coaching change?


Probably not, because a source who has knowledge of the inner working of recruiting would be no where near the administration where coaching discussions occur. So, a recruiting source would just be repeating office scuttlebutt ot the reporter, and i doubt that would qualify as useful printable information.

Really, only one guy would be privy to both recruiting and the suits...the head coach.

Boosters would also have access to both, but do Boosters count as reliable sources?
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 10:20 am
Posted by narddogg81
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:29 am to
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LSU Tiger fans whose only purpose was to troll and agitate and annoy the supporters of Bevo and Big Al
I love how this has become the truth in the lsu collective hive mind. Sure, a few of you were rational and were just trolling, but the vast majority of you were in earnest and were convinced it was happening.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:31 am to
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LSU Tiger fans whose only purpose was to troll and agitate and annoy the supporters of Bevo and Big Al


I love how this has become the truth in the lsu collective hive mind. Sure, a few of you were rational and were just trolling, but the vast majority of you were in earnest and were convinced it was happening.


And, right on time, we get an example of "Incredibly Defensive Crimson Tide fan"
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:36 am to
I was hoping beyond all hope he would go. And now I hate Mack Brown bc I choose to believe he torpedoed it.
Posted by Schwaaz
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:37 am to
The fact that bloggers are now more important than journalists is both sad and pathetic.They used to confirm sources and make sure a story has legs but these days it's all about being first above accuracy.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/18/13 at 10:47 am to
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The fact that bloggers are now more important than journalists is both sad and pathetic.They used to confirm sources and make sure a story has legs but these days it's all about being first above accuracy.


Your basic point about source checking is right, but a lot of times the bloggers do a better job of sourcing and confirming than mainstream journalists do.

Some reporters start using each other as source confirmation. The general rule is that a printed story has 2 sources. So, Source X leaks something to reporters A and B. Reporters A and B then use each other as their confirmation and report the story.

Then there is the ESPN effect, where reporters start doubling as analysts, and their work gets all muddled where it's hard to tell what is a report and what is an opinion. At that point, they just start making things up and other news outlets will report their fiction as news, and if anyone cries foul, the original reporter can claim plausible deniability by saying that he said what he said in his analyst role, not his reporter role.

Or ESPN effect #2, where some analyst will say something incredibly dumb, ESPN then reports it as news, which is then picked up by other media outlets as news, which is the re-reported by ESPN as news. Deadspin earlier this year tracked a stupid Ron Jawarski quote on Colin Kaepernick that grew legs in this manner.
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 10:48 am
Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:18 am to
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Sure, a few of you were rational and were just trolling, but the vast majority of you were in earnest and were convinced it was happening.


I was and still am completely confident that anything can happen when it comes to coaches (Saban) and piles and piles of cash. If you honestly think otherwise you are a damn fool.
Posted by sbrian3915
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2011
648 posts
Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:25 am to
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I was and still am completely confident that anything can happen when it comes to coaches (Saban) and piles and piles of cash. If you honestly think otherwise you are a damn fool.


Agreed, but there is a difference between "anything can happen" and "This is gonna happen because my friend who works at Texas told me so"
Posted by Camp Randall
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:33 am to
I think some of that is trolling and certainly some of it is the typical drooling moron on a football message board thrown in. God knows we get enough of it from Bama fans on here. Sometimes it's nice to give a little back.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/18/13 at 11:34 am to
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As far as the Aggie fans go, lots of them have an inferiority complex regarding Texas that is really hard to describe, and that leads to incredible trollness. Plus every Aggie fan I have ever met is just naturally crazy (in the good sports fan way).




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