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Screened In Patio/BBQ Area Fireplace Question
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:51 pm
I'm in the process of adding a screened in patio bbq area to my home. It's 30'x 14'. The South and East sides will be screened. North and West sides will have walls/back of the house. The West end will have a brick fireplace. I'd like to get a gas fireplace insert for it, though I can change that as it will be built such that I can remove that if I decide to do so later and make it wood burning with the gas starter.
So, I love a wood burning fireplace, but I'd have to keep the wood in an inconvenient spot and I live in an area where critters visit the yard. The first time I'm the one getting wood to bring up to the patio and a critter or slithering thing pops up will be the last time I do so.
I know the gas burning fireplaces don't produce heat like a wood burning does and since it's open, no fireplace will keep it warm in certain temps, but I'd like to get the most warmth I can get from a gas insert deal. Anyone have recommendations or experience with this?
Contractor suggested putting some of those heaters on the ceiling to supplement if we're out there in there in really cold weather. Not sure I want all of that.
Thanks!
So, I love a wood burning fireplace, but I'd have to keep the wood in an inconvenient spot and I live in an area where critters visit the yard. The first time I'm the one getting wood to bring up to the patio and a critter or slithering thing pops up will be the last time I do so.
I know the gas burning fireplaces don't produce heat like a wood burning does and since it's open, no fireplace will keep it warm in certain temps, but I'd like to get the most warmth I can get from a gas insert deal. Anyone have recommendations or experience with this?
Contractor suggested putting some of those heaters on the ceiling to supplement if we're out there in there in really cold weather. Not sure I want all of that.
Thanks!
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Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:57 pm to Gris Gris
You can get infared heater/fireplaces. They get nice and hot. I had installed one a few years back in our rental.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:57 pm to Gris Gris
Im no architect or contractor, but what if you made part of the Western wall one of those firewood holders. So in essence part of the wall would be an area to store firewood. Two birds, one stone.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:02 pm to BlackenedOut
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Im no architect or contractor, but what if you made part of the Western wall one of those firewood holders. So in essence part of the wall would be an area to store firewood. Two birds, one stone
GG, is the western wall one of the 30' walls? If so, Blackened's recommendation could have some merit I would think. Unless you have plans for the whole 30' of wall.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:12 pm to htownjeep
This may be more elementary than what you are looking for, but if you go with a gas one, get a ventless model. The heat comes into the room. You could even put it on one of the walls against the house so the heat would emanate out.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:12 pm to htownjeep
The West wall is 14. Contractor just hit me with all of this info though we've discussed it ad nauseum beforehand. They are ready to move on it. They've reached that point in the construction. He apparently left out some important info about a gas fireplace. I want one that looks nice and not like one of them electric roll in things. It's going to be brick and I want nice looking logs.
Now, he tells me that if I get one with heavy BTUs are whatever, it needs to be ventless which means I could never change my mind. Everyone knows it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind for crying out loud.
BO, I know just what you're suggesting and it's a good one, though it's not possible to do that at this point. I suppose I could just put some large wood holder inside next to it so getting wood would only happen sparingly. I won't have a covered area to keep the extra wood and I was told not to put it near the house due to termites...well, and critters.
Now, he tells me that if I get one with heavy BTUs are whatever, it needs to be ventless which means I could never change my mind. Everyone knows it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind for crying out loud.
BO, I know just what you're suggesting and it's a good one, though it's not possible to do that at this point. I suppose I could just put some large wood holder inside next to it so getting wood would only happen sparingly. I won't have a covered area to keep the extra wood and I was told not to put it near the house due to termites...well, and critters.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:14 pm to htownjeep
I'd go with the gas fireplace--they pump out plenty of heat, in my experience. No wood storage, no fiddling with lighting, no wood smoke to irritate your eyes. The gas inserts take up less space, too.
Unless you were planning to cook on it--then wood is the way to go. Hell, build a pizza oven into that western wall!
Unless you were planning to cook on it--then wood is the way to go. Hell, build a pizza oven into that western wall!
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:15 pm to Gris Gris
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Gris Gris
I'm out. With the woman change her mind issue this has gotten too complicated.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:16 pm to BlackenedOut
Oh, and if it matters, the West wall isn't against the house, but we put a wall there due to the way the patio is going to attach to the roof. The patio will have a metal roof rather than be under roof. Too expensive otherwise. There was a drip issue that concerned the contractor so we are putting a wall on that side which is fine. That part of my yard is pretty open and I'd rather the neighbors and the afternoon sun not peeking in on me. The North side of the patio (30') is the back of a new addition to the house.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:17 pm to Gris Gris
Get a good damper and it will be OK even if ventless logs are installed. Just keep the damper closed and it is a ventless fireplace. Our standard-dampered fireplace has ventless logs and they work fine.
We just never open the damper.
We just never open the damper.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:18 pm to hungryone
I wish I could build a pizza oven. That would be some fun to have, but the TV is going over the fireplace and I'll use that more.
I'm not planning to cook on it.
I think this is true indoors. He's telling me "no" with regard to outdoors, which I knew to some degree, but now he's sounding like there won't be much heat generated at all. I want the best of all worlds, dammit.
I'm not planning to cook on it.
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they pump out plenty of heat,
I think this is true indoors. He's telling me "no" with regard to outdoors, which I knew to some degree, but now he's sounding like there won't be much heat generated at all. I want the best of all worlds, dammit.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:20 pm to Gris Gris
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He's telling me "no" with regard to outdoors
You believe him and not us?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:21 pm to Gris Gris
TV over the fireplace?
Ventless fireplace will send most of the heat right up the screen of the TV if it hangs over the fireplace. Better read the book on the logs before you buy them. Many ventless logs say "Nothing above the fireplace" and give explicit instructions on the mantle materials and distances - due to heat damage concerns.
Ventless fireplace will send most of the heat right up the screen of the TV if it hangs over the fireplace. Better read the book on the logs before you buy them. Many ventless logs say "Nothing above the fireplace" and give explicit instructions on the mantle materials and distances - due to heat damage concerns.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:22 pm to MeridianDog
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Get a good damper and it will be OK even if ventless logs are installed. Just keep the damper closed and it is a ventless fireplace. Our standard-dampered fireplace has ventless logs and they work fine.
We just never open the damper.
That's exactly what I just emailed him. He said something about it was going to "look" goofy with a vent in a ventless. Who sees what in that situation? My parents went with ventless logs in the wood burning fireplace and they just keep the damper closed. It's hot as hell in that room when my mother hits that fireplace remote and it's a large room open to the huge kitchen she added.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:23 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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You believe him and not us?
I thought you gave up on the woman thing. Are trolling my thread?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:23 pm to Gris Gris
So if you want heat output but gas won't deliver, then why bother with a fireplace at all? (not being cheeky, just wondering). I'd wager that outdoor fireplaces are the least used of all backyard upgrades in south Louisiana. Oh, wait, maybe you're living someplace with more than 2 weeks of winter, lol.
2 of my sibs have recent gas fireplace installations, and both sets of logs (one small, one big) look pretty real. Glowing embers, flickering flames, the works. My bro's gas fireplace puts out so much heat he rarely turns it on. You can't sit within 4 feet of the thing. Dunno what brand.
2 of my sibs have recent gas fireplace installations, and both sets of logs (one small, one big) look pretty real. Glowing embers, flickering flames, the works. My bro's gas fireplace puts out so much heat he rarely turns it on. You can't sit within 4 feet of the thing. Dunno what brand.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:25 pm to Gris Gris
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going to "look" goofy with a vent in a ventless.
If I get on my hands and knees, I can look up and see the damper handle, a little because it is black metal up in a dark place.
Dang it, now I wont be able to sleep in the recliner after dinner anymore from worry that someone will sneak in on their hands and knees and see the damper handle.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:40 pm to Gris Gris
A gas fireplace in a screened in porch is pretty much pointless other than for looks. Inside a home when the temp is controlled at 70-80 with no wind a gas fireplace will warm up the room. But outside in 40-60 degree weather with you might as well turn it off and save on your gas bill.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:49 pm to crimsonsaint
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A gas fireplace in a screened in porch is pretty much pointless other than for looks. Inside a home when the temp is controlled at 70-80 with no wind a gas fireplace will warm up the room. But outside in 40-60 degree weather with you might as well turn it off and save on your gas bill.
Stop with the logic.
There's no fireplace in this home and nowhere to add one that's reasonable. I'm getting one for looks and I'm trying to get some heat, though I know it won't be a lot since it's open on 2 sides. The East side is blocked by lots of bushes a few yards away. Not much wind coming in that way. The South side which is the 30' will be all open. Getting lots of fans for the warmer weather. Hungry, I sure would like to know that brand.
Oh, and when I previously had a fireplace, I frequently turned down the AC and had a fire whenever I felt the urge.
I guess the flip side is that if the outdoor gas fireplace doesn't put out much heat, I can use it on hot summer nights and pretend.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 3:23 pm to Gris Gris
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Everyone knows it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind for crying out loud.
This trumps everything... I'm out
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