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How hard is it to get your FFL?

Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:05 pm
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:05 pm
I want to look into this. Anyone have any experience?
Posted by xenon16
Metry Brah
Member since Sep 2008
3528 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:19 pm to
Not hard to get, fill out an application and pay the fee every three years.

The difficult part is the regulations once you have it, recordkeeping and laws. You can't get one only for personal use, it must be for transferring to others. I don't know how tough the burden of proof on this is...
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:22 pm to
I want to become a distributor..
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45794 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:24 pm to
I thought it was very difficult without a brick and mortar store...
Posted by xenon16
Metry Brah
Member since Sep 2008
3528 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:24 pm to
If you are serious about it I'd pay the few bucks and go through something like FFL123.com and knock out the Class 3 at the same time.

I think they help with pre-work and the ATF interview too. They will probably keep you from stubbing a toe if you are getting into a business, which will likely draw a little more scrutiny
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

I thought it was very difficult without a brick and mortar store...


They virtually eliminated the kitchen table dealers under Clinton. They demonized them as only wanting an FFL to buy weapons, not to sell them.

You can't have "by appointment" hours, must be open and available for inspection during those hours, so, yeah, a brick and morter store is almost a requirement. Unless you're manufacturing/distributing out of a facility.

ETA: I believe they can decline to renew based on inactivity, etc.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 1:40 pm
Posted by kook
Berrytown
Member since Sep 2013
1892 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:48 pm to
IIRC you must have a "room" dedicated to doing FFL transactions. Not necessarily a storefront.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

IIRC you must have a "room" dedicated to doing FFL transactions. Not necessarily a storefront.


Yeah, but it has to be open to the public for your posted hours.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57426 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

They virtually eliminated the kitchen table dealers under Clinton. They demonized them as only wanting an FFL to buy weapons, not to sell them.

You can't have "by appointment" hours, must be open and available for inspection during those hours, so, yeah, a brick and morter store is almost a requirement
not from what i read recently.
Posted by xenon16
Metry Brah
Member since Sep 2008
3528 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:58 pm to
storefront is not a requirement, but you need to make sure you can run a business out of your home if that's your intent (zoning). ATF will look into it...

I'd also recommend an LLC and the paperwork being drafted by a Louisiana attorney familiar with firearms. I can recommend a couple in the New Orleans area if needed. You may not even need a FTF meeting with them
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

a storefront

this is what I would want to work towards
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89480 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

not from what i read recently.


And honestly, I haven't looked at it recently. I was going through the process during the Clinton administration, and the ATF guy told me, in no uncertain terms, that it was unlikely for me, in my situation, following the old kitchen table dealer template to get approved or stay approved.

Whether or not he got the best of me remains to be seen. I'll defer to people who have dug into it more recently, or current FFL holders.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57426 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:08 pm to
I have a buddy who is one. ill talk with him tomorrow about it.

even though this was in 2008 this is the post i read.

LINK
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20014 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:49 pm to
Not hard to get but, once obtained, meticulous record keeping and storage is a must and the probability increases that you will be visited....
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