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Building: Production builder versus custom builder
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:18 am
I recently moved back to New Orleans and currently looking for a home in the Metairie/Harahan area. After a couple of weeks looking at dozens of houses, we can't find anything we really like. We were hoping to spend about $250K when it was all said and done (home plus any renovations). After not finding anything, we looked at going up to $300K. But all that seems to get us is more space but not nicer floor plans. So now building is on the list.
Here's what we want. Under 2K square feet and 3 BR. Open floor plan with a kitchen that blends into a great room. A master suite with double walk in closets, seperate shower/tub and dual vanities. Nice kitchen cabinets/appliances/countertops. Carpet in bedrooms, wood in the rest. Don't want a bonus room.
We met with Cretin Homes which I would consider a Production builder. They have 5 floor plans they start with. Moving stuff around and customizing it is easy and doesn't add cost unless you add more space. We found a floor plan that is perfect for what I've been looking for. The only things I would need to do is flip the kitchen from one wall to the other so it lines up perfectly with the great room and TV, upgrade to gas stove and put in a custom shower versus a pre fab shower. I'm sure other minor things will offer chances to upgrade, but I liked all of the finishes and stuff in the model. Their model shows the base house...if you see it in the model it's standard, so no bait and switch.
The house is 1900 square feet living plus a double garage. The price is $170K for the house plus any upgrades (figure $10-20K, although we would keep this very low). The other costs would be the lot, pilings and driveway/landscaping. I'm figuring $10K for the driveway and $100K for the lot and pilings (willing to wait to find the right lot that would come in at this price).
All told that brings us to around $300K. Is this reasonable for a decent home under 2K sf?
I'm meeting with a custom builder tomorrow that's a friend of a friend. He already has lots and is looking to build on them and sell. I'm wondering if he can either beat the Cretin price or give us more for the same money.
Anybody else look at these options? A true custom home versus a modified but generic plan doesn't matter to us. We're trying to figure out if it's worth it to spend close to $300K on a brand new "dream" home that we will hopefully live in for a long time...or spend $230K on a house that we sacrifice a lot of "wants" and look to sell again in 5-10 years to get into our dream home. To me it makes sense to just go for the new house now and be happy.
Here's what we want. Under 2K square feet and 3 BR. Open floor plan with a kitchen that blends into a great room. A master suite with double walk in closets, seperate shower/tub and dual vanities. Nice kitchen cabinets/appliances/countertops. Carpet in bedrooms, wood in the rest. Don't want a bonus room.
We met with Cretin Homes which I would consider a Production builder. They have 5 floor plans they start with. Moving stuff around and customizing it is easy and doesn't add cost unless you add more space. We found a floor plan that is perfect for what I've been looking for. The only things I would need to do is flip the kitchen from one wall to the other so it lines up perfectly with the great room and TV, upgrade to gas stove and put in a custom shower versus a pre fab shower. I'm sure other minor things will offer chances to upgrade, but I liked all of the finishes and stuff in the model. Their model shows the base house...if you see it in the model it's standard, so no bait and switch.
The house is 1900 square feet living plus a double garage. The price is $170K for the house plus any upgrades (figure $10-20K, although we would keep this very low). The other costs would be the lot, pilings and driveway/landscaping. I'm figuring $10K for the driveway and $100K for the lot and pilings (willing to wait to find the right lot that would come in at this price).
All told that brings us to around $300K. Is this reasonable for a decent home under 2K sf?
I'm meeting with a custom builder tomorrow that's a friend of a friend. He already has lots and is looking to build on them and sell. I'm wondering if he can either beat the Cretin price or give us more for the same money.
Anybody else look at these options? A true custom home versus a modified but generic plan doesn't matter to us. We're trying to figure out if it's worth it to spend close to $300K on a brand new "dream" home that we will hopefully live in for a long time...or spend $230K on a house that we sacrifice a lot of "wants" and look to sell again in 5-10 years to get into our dream home. To me it makes sense to just go for the new house now and be happy.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:59 pm to Dave Worth
I really think its personal choice. Be careful with these mass builder guys, they try and rape you on what they call "upgrades". They also try to get you with crazy landscape costs,fencing. Make sure you know what is included in the base price and try to agree too as much as you can in that base price.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:59 pm to Dave Worth
I would imagine the custom guy will be more. He can not buy the materials at the same discount a volume builder can. The volume builder will probably also have less waste. He has probably built the house you are looking at doing a dozen times and can probably tell you about how many nails it's going to take to build it.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:48 pm to Dave Worth
go to the gaming board and ask for stout, he will steer you straight.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 6:47 pm to Dave Worth
We went with a custom builder. Would do it again.
Plenty of allowance for everything we wanted.
Production builder will add on like a SOB. Upgrade after Upgrade.
Plenty of allowance for everything we wanted.
Production builder will add on like a SOB. Upgrade after Upgrade.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:01 pm to bamanmemphis
You will get a better price with the production guy but I would really worry about the quality of the materials plus upgrades like others have said.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:14 pm to Dave Worth
Do not build a house for more price per sq ft than what neighborhood comps are going for. Is this house your final destination!? Prolly not...
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:31 am to Chad504boy
Use COPPER for plumbing, do NOT go the poly route.......................
Yea its gonna cost more, but.......
Yea its gonna cost more, but.......
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:44 am to Dave Worth
My old man is a plumbing contractor and has bid on new houses with some of the mass production builders. They squeeze their subs...hard!! He did a few to get some work. After the numbers were crunched he was lucky to profit $500 -$1000 on a $15000 job. For a sub its hard to do quality work and make money, so my old man stopped doing them.
My old man also had problems with finishers knocking his pipes out of walls during a pour or running screws through water lines when putting up sheet rock and cabinets. Sure that kind of stuff happens everywhere, but it happens more when contractors are rushing to do a job.
I know people with nice homes built by mass production people, but personally I would go with a custom guy.
My old man also had problems with finishers knocking his pipes out of walls during a pour or running screws through water lines when putting up sheet rock and cabinets. Sure that kind of stuff happens everywhere, but it happens more when contractors are rushing to do a job.
I know people with nice homes built by mass production people, but personally I would go with a custom guy.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:47 am to Drop4Loss
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Use COPPER for plumbing, do NOT go the poly route.......................
Yea its gonna cost more, but.......
A lot more. Copper prices are out the roof right now. Plus labor costs are more. Pex piping is pretty much the norm for most new construction. As I said in an earlier post my old man is a plumber. Both him and I put Pex in both of our homes that were built in 2008 and 2009.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:56 am to ScottieP
Thanks again for the responses!
At 38 I'm not naive enough to guarantee this is the "forever" home. But I'm looking at it as at least a 20 year home and would love it to last longer. As we get older, I could see us downsizing even more.
One of the main areas we are considering is Harahan/River Ridge. From what I'm seeing, there are a lot of neighborhoods where people are buying older homes and doing tear downs. I like this as I feel it will help neighborhoods last longer.
Through Cretin, it didn't seem like the upgrades would be too bad in that we wouldn't want many. A custom shower and gas kitchen were the only things that stuck out. But I would look closer if it remained an option. We just went to get an idea and liked the first blush a lot. Tile, carpet and wood base options were very nice. Crown molding finishes and little details were also good. Granite in kitchen and bathrooms was standard. The most important thing is getting the floor plan right...something we can't find in an older home.
At 38 I'm not naive enough to guarantee this is the "forever" home. But I'm looking at it as at least a 20 year home and would love it to last longer. As we get older, I could see us downsizing even more.
One of the main areas we are considering is Harahan/River Ridge. From what I'm seeing, there are a lot of neighborhoods where people are buying older homes and doing tear downs. I like this as I feel it will help neighborhoods last longer.
Through Cretin, it didn't seem like the upgrades would be too bad in that we wouldn't want many. A custom shower and gas kitchen were the only things that stuck out. But I would look closer if it remained an option. We just went to get an idea and liked the first blush a lot. Tile, carpet and wood base options were very nice. Crown molding finishes and little details were also good. Granite in kitchen and bathrooms was standard. The most important thing is getting the floor plan right...something we can't find in an older home.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 12:17 pm to Dave Worth
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it didn't seem like the upgrades would be too bad in that we wouldn't want many
this is what every spec home builder wants you to think
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:26 pm to Dave Worth
Did you check out Townsend down the road from Cretin? They are in between. Do more custom plans and features but still have a similar model. They do a good job.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 2:54 pm to theBeard
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this is what every spec home builder wants you to think
I don't doubt that at all. I just met with a custom builder and was really impressed. He didn't quote prices but gave me a general idea of costs and the process for different options. His wife is a real estate agent and will be a big help in finding the property.
From a cost standpoint it doesn't look like the big builder is cheaper for just the basics. With a few upgrades, the custom builder will probably be cheaper.
What I really liked was his expertise in the day to day of building different homes for people. A small example - every house he builds is pre-wired inside and out for speakers/wi-fi/whatever and run to a central location. Not a big deal, but something he knows people want.
I'm looking forward to this process.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:02 pm to Dave Worth
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From a cost standpoint it doesn't look like the big builder is cheaper for just the basics.
not buying this.
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A small example - every house he builds is pre-wired inside and out for speakers/wi-fi/whatever and run to a central location. Not a big deal, but something he knows people want.
do not get overimpressed with stupid shite.
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I'm looking forward to this process.
you're going to get eaten alive
Posted on 12/17/13 at 6:28 pm to Dave Worth
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Granite in kitchen and bathrooms was standard
Make sure the granite you like is in the budget. Huge range in styles and price. What kind of fixtures are standard, door knobs to match also. What size sink, is the toliet standard height? How about the bathtub, is whirlpool an upgrade?
Not trying to be that guy, but this is where "they" get you.
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