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re: Espn: Sizing up the SEC resumes
Posted on 12/17/13 at 6:05 pm to Thorny
Posted on 12/17/13 at 6:05 pm to Thorny
I would use an 8-team format with conference champions of the SEC, ACC, B1G, B12, P12, and scrape together a Big East with ND in it, and two other conference champs by either combining the best of the rest and casting off teams to FCS, or using the top two champs from existing minor conferences based on SOS. Each conference champ will have had to win a CCG to be in.
I am strongly in favor of maintaing historical conference affiliations as much as possible. I'd like to see more emphasis put on SEC championships, not less.
I am strongly in favor of maintaing historical conference affiliations as much as possible. I'd like to see more emphasis put on SEC championships, not less.
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Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:51 pm to MattLSU
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Les Miles, during his career at LSU, is 27-18 against top-25 teams in the final BCS standings. Alabama’s Nick Saban is 19-10.
But yet we need to "Fire Les"
Posted on 12/18/13 at 4:53 am to Thorny
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Another solution is to only allow 8 teams, but how do you eliminate 2 conference champions objectively?
there would be debate between the #7, 8, 9, & 10th ranked conference champs but ultimately that doesn't matter IMO because teams ranked that low are not the #1 team in the country on the basis of the 12 or 13 game season already played. That's the point - finding the team that deserves to be #1 is what a playoff should be about.
FWIW, IMO you could take the top six ranked conference champs but still be confident you haven't left out the best team in the country. A six team playoff would probably be stronger overall since you'd avoid some hapless teams from the 7 & 8 spot being smashed by 1 and 2 seeds.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:02 am to munchman
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Why not have an 8 team playoff with conference champions only. That may leave a power conf. like the SEC at a disadvantage, but it would seem more fair in the long term.
This is exactly what I believe. The conference championship games would the first round of the playoffs. That insures you must win your division first of all.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:19 am to cyogi
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that 4team playoff will almost guarantee the SEC champion every year but will open the door for the board to manipulate the rest...because the SEC will already have one and they certainly don't want a replay of the 2012 BCS debacle.
I agree with this. Because of the 2012 BCS debacle, the 4 team "playoff" was put into place.
My hope is that when people see how screwed up it still is, the playoff will be expanded to at least 8, and some sort of "on the field" criteria will be used to select the teams.
This year will be absolutely HUGE for the future of SEC bias. If Au beats the big and bad FSU team then the SEC will continue to have the possibility of two of their teams playing in the 4 team playoff system. If FSU wins then this will make the bias a little more difficult to get two SEC teams in until the SEC gets a couple more Crystal balls.
JMHO
Posted on 12/18/13 at 6:59 am to munchman
quote:Because not every team is in a conference, and a conference championship only refers to a fraction of the season. It's a ridiculous idea.
Why not have an 8 team playoff with conference champions only.
Obviously we should count all games equally, and if we do that, we're effectively ignoring conference affiliation.
There is no reason Alabama would be excluded from this year's playoff.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 8:48 am to munchman
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four failed to record wins over top-15 teams in the final BCS standings: Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and UCF.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 1:36 pm to ballscaster
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There is no reason Alabama would be excluded from this year's playoff.
Sure there is, Auburn took their spot by reason of a head-to-head win.
The problem here is that there is NO WAY to objectively determine who the "best" team was for a season. First, you have to even define "best". Was it the best over the course of the entire season? Should the back end of the season be weighted higher? Should it just be the best team of a post-season tournament?
"Wildcard" means 'bias'. As soon as you introduce wildcards, you introduce bias. I am in favor of minimizing bias, not increasing it.
Since you cannot objectively determine who the best team is, you might as well just have a tournament of champions and determine a National Champion.
Divisional round robin to determine divisional champ.
Conference championship game of divisional champions to determine conference champion.
National Tournament of Champions to determine the National Champion.
It's simple, it's objective, it's fair and it determines an indisputable champion.
This post was edited on 12/18/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/18/13 at 1:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
Great post!
The problem with those appealing to the "best" teams is that it is ultimately subjective. The paradigm needs to shift from a "best" team to a "champion" team - one team who demonstrated their superiority to the exclusion of the most number of other teams.
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