re: Do you idiots still think Greivis Vasquez is better than Jrue Holiday?

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Vasquez vs. Evans numbers

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I think you have to go advanced and look at the meaningful numbers . . . and eyeball results.

I'm not a big metrics guy, so you tell me. Is that a big difference so far? It seems pretty even to me..

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Do you idiots still think Greivis Vasquez is better than Jrue Holiday?

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Don't hang around this board much, but WTF? Were people really saying this?

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^yeahfrickingright. GV cannot penetrate like Tyreke does on one fricking ankle. GV can hit WIDE OPEN shots, and is a great setup man, but do not confuse his productivity for success. Team was wayyyyyy sub .500 with GV at the helm

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stupid fricks don't get this.

GV couldn't guard my homeless Uncle in a wheelchair. I loved the dude but he was a defensive negative, who made Russell Westbrook look like Godzilla. GV's length would frustrate the Kyle Lowrys and Kemba Walkers of the world, but he was no savant.

While I'd love for him to be running the second team and setting the table like a maidservant for Jason Smith every pick and roll, he's worth so much more than that. Plus if you watched ANY game last year, you'd know that Robin Lopez was about as much a fit here as skinny jeans on Charles Barkley.

Plus Dell did something verrrrrrrrry few GMs are risky enough to do. He traded an asset at his HIGHEST value. Yeah right, GV was going to come back and lead the league in assists again. And he got an extremely diverse, talented player for him, who still has a lot of room for growth. frick the haters, GV is long gone

I have been wanting GV gone since he arrived. Idk how the frick anyone liked that guy.


How about the huge night from jrue? 20 and 12 and NO TURNOVERS

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And he got an extremely diverse, talented player for him, who still has a lot of room for growth. frick the haters, GV is long gone

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I just don't agree with this. It was a horrible trade IMO. He gave away Vasquez and Lopez just to make salary cap room and to give Evans a huge contract. I'd have rather kept those two instead..

long-term, what does keeping GV and lopez do?

lopez would help, but he wasn't exactly a defensive force or anything. he wouldn't cure our ills

i'd love it if we could magically get him back at that salary, but that salary got in the way of improving our team

GV would be a backup pg and not worth his salary at all, especially if we consider roberts' ability/salary

last offseason built up the backbone of our roster. this almost assuredly is not the final step

evans had a rough start, but he's giving us what we need: a bench scorer and a possible replacement for gordon IF we can move him for that big (one that will almost certainly be better than lopez)

If they trade Gordon, all bets are off and I'll concede that it was a possible good signing/trade. Although, in the grand scheme, Gordon is a much better fit next to Holiday. I've wanted Gordon gone since they got him. But it would take a huge offer for me to want to trade him now. He's actually starting to contribute and I like him as the 3rd or 4th scorer (behind Davis, Anderson and Holiday). Although he is still massively overpaid.

Is Evans a good fit next to Holiday? He is much more of a PG than SG, so it pushes Holiday off the ball. Which could work at times. I'd just rather the ball in Holidays hands. But it could work..

As of right now, I just see Evans as a 3rd guard/back-up SF that can light it up at times. He has great talent and he is way overqualified to be relegated to that role. For that type of role, Vasquez could have done something similar for way less money...

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if you just want a 3rd guard/back-up SF to play 20ish minutes a game

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1) I really think trading Gordon is part of the plan unless they think the 3 guard thing not only can work, but can work in the playoffs.

2) Tyreke has provided much more than "just a 3rd guard/back-up SF". Pretty much every game he's played well we've won in true 6th man fashion. I'm not saying Vasquez couldn't be a 6th man, just not as good and this team would probably have much fewer wins. Evans also puts a lot more pressure opposing defense and gets to the line twice as often per 36 as Vasquez. Not only does that help get opposing bigs in foul trouble, it gets you closer to the penalty leading to easy offense. I've always felt Vasquez would get Jarrett Jack money which means about $6 per year, so while that's not super expensive, he won't be a value player much longer.