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Posted on 12/13/13 at 7:41 am to Iowa Golfer
Just watched the first half of the iowa-nebraska game.
Not that great.
Hawkeyes basically started every firsthalf drive on nebraska side of the fifty and still only led 14-3 at half.
Don't expect OBJ to make same mistakes as the huskers punt return man.
Was weisman hurt the second half of iowa's season?
Not that great.
Hawkeyes basically started every firsthalf drive on nebraska side of the fifty and still only led 14-3 at half.
Don't expect OBJ to make same mistakes as the huskers punt return man.
Was weisman hurt the second half of iowa's season?
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 12/13/13 at 7:55 am to 167back
He was dinged up.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 7:58 am to 167back
weisman got too many carries in the 1st half of the season. The reduced his snaps mid season and in the last 2-3 games he was said to be healthy again.
Unfortunately our real complete TB is a true freshmen and only gets a few carries per game. Canzeri has the speed and quickness that is lacking in Weisman.
Unfortunately our real complete TB is a true freshmen and only gets a few carries per game. Canzeri has the speed and quickness that is lacking in Weisman.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 7:58 am to 167back
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Was weisman hurt the second half of iowa's season?
Yes, was fighting some nagging stuff and didn't look nearly as good as the first half of the season. These few weeks should really help him as he takes and gives a lot of contact.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 10:08 am to BrewHawk
anyone going to talk about LSU or should I just keep blabering on about Iowa? I'm fixin to start making stuff up.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 10:59 am to nchawk
not much for LSU fans to talk about- according to the omniscient ESPN and their national poll- 81% are bullish on LSU- case closed. 
so, i guess, the game is a done deal.
but i am hearing a large group of the LSU starting offense is going to be ruled ineligible for the game so i am still optimistic.
so, i guess, the game is a done deal.
but i am hearing a large group of the LSU starting offense is going to be ruled ineligible for the game so i am still optimistic.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 11:25 am to nchawk
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anyone going to talk about LSU or should I just keep blabering on about Iowa? I'm fixin to start making stuff up.
Speed. SEC speed.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 11:41 am to gable_guy
I could poke the bear with a statement such as......
If the SEC is as good as espn promotes and so many proclaims, how can 2 mid-level b12 teams come in and play for an SEC title and knock off mighty Bama (aTm last yr)
If the SEC is as good as espn promotes and so many proclaims, how can 2 mid-level b12 teams come in and play for an SEC title and knock off mighty Bama (aTm last yr)
This post was edited on 12/13/13 at 11:42 am
Posted on 12/13/13 at 12:29 pm to hawk8645
If Iowa's safeties are really that weak, the game won't be close. Jennings is mobile, the OL won't be that much of an issue like it was with Mett.
With JL and ODB, any misstep by a safety when Jennings is moving will be a long play for LSU.
IU 17
LSU 41
With JL and ODB, any misstep by a safety when Jennings is moving will be a long play for LSU.
IU 17
LSU 41
Posted on 12/13/13 at 4:59 pm to nchawk
LSU "O"
In facing LSU's big three (OBJ,Juice and Hill) the hawkeyes will be going against the best group of starting skilled athletes they will have seen all year. All three are in the 1,000 yard club.
Tiger's O-line is better in run blocking than pass protection. LSU WILL run between the tackles.
LSU was one of if not the best in the country at third down conversion. That was with a two year starter at QB, We don't have him anymore.
It will be hard to continue those numbers with a first time starter at QB though.
That's why it's so hard to predict what the tiger offense will be looking like for the bowl game.
Jennings should be able to have success in the passing game. If he has any time in the pocket OBJ and Juice will get open. If he is pressured the hawkeyes will be hurt with his scrambling ability.
LSU "D"
Solid set of four at DE. Not that flashy, just solid allaround players. Hunter did turn A&M's all american LT into his bitch though.
DT's have had their moments especially Ego. Freak is the more talked about one but, Ego had the better season. Not much experience behind the starter here.
LBs, two out of three aint bad. Barrow is the veteran and Alexander is the better athlete.
Starting CBs are true freshmen and are getting better every day. Don't expect for iowa's WRs to have much success in passing game.
Safties are better in run support which is bad news for the hawkeyes.
Tiger punter can get off a 50 yarder anytime and is also good for a 15 yarder at least once a game.
FG kicker has missed only one all year. No more than two.
Coverage teams are usually outstanding. If iowa's coverage teams aren't up to it OBJ will make them pay.
As most all games whoever wins the turnover battle and controls the LOS will win the game.
LSU will have success runing the ball. Will it be Hill, Magee, Blue, Hillard or Jennings doesn't matter. If hawkeys aren't able have success running to set up playaction, game over.
Looking forward to the game.
In facing LSU's big three (OBJ,Juice and Hill) the hawkeyes will be going against the best group of starting skilled athletes they will have seen all year. All three are in the 1,000 yard club.
Tiger's O-line is better in run blocking than pass protection. LSU WILL run between the tackles.
LSU was one of if not the best in the country at third down conversion. That was with a two year starter at QB, We don't have him anymore.
It will be hard to continue those numbers with a first time starter at QB though.
That's why it's so hard to predict what the tiger offense will be looking like for the bowl game.
Jennings should be able to have success in the passing game. If he has any time in the pocket OBJ and Juice will get open. If he is pressured the hawkeyes will be hurt with his scrambling ability.
LSU "D"
Solid set of four at DE. Not that flashy, just solid allaround players. Hunter did turn A&M's all american LT into his bitch though.
DT's have had their moments especially Ego. Freak is the more talked about one but, Ego had the better season. Not much experience behind the starter here.
LBs, two out of three aint bad. Barrow is the veteran and Alexander is the better athlete.
Starting CBs are true freshmen and are getting better every day. Don't expect for iowa's WRs to have much success in passing game.
Safties are better in run support which is bad news for the hawkeyes.
Tiger punter can get off a 50 yarder anytime and is also good for a 15 yarder at least once a game.
FG kicker has missed only one all year. No more than two.
Coverage teams are usually outstanding. If iowa's coverage teams aren't up to it OBJ will make them pay.
As most all games whoever wins the turnover battle and controls the LOS will win the game.
LSU will have success runing the ball. Will it be Hill, Magee, Blue, Hillard or Jennings doesn't matter. If hawkeys aren't able have success running to set up playaction, game over.
Looking forward to the game.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 5:32 pm to 167back
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LSU will have success runing the ball. Will it be Hill, Magee, Blue, Hillard or Jennings doesn't matter. If hawkeys aren't able have success running to set up playaction, game over.
Aw jeez, another blowhard?
Okay, I've got one for ya...
Iowa will shut down LSU's run game and force Jennings to beat us with his arm.
It's all settled then.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 5:35 pm to BrewHawk
If Bama, Auburn, Florida, and TCU couldn't stop LSUs run game, I'm sure that means Iowa can.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 5:36 pm to Iowa4430
quote:
If the SEC is as good as espn promotes and so many proclaims, how can 2 mid-level b12 teams come in and play for an SEC title and knock off mighty Bama (aTm last yr)
2 thing:
1- Bama ended up winning the NC very convincingly
2- frick the SEC and
Posted on 12/13/13 at 6:02 pm to cas4t
They had 43 yards rushing vs. Bama.
The Tigers also only had 77 vs. Georgia and 114 vs. Ole MIss.
I think Iowa will take their chances with Jennings throwing the ball. He may have a very good game, but if were the Iowa DC, that would be my approach.
Of the teams you mentioned, only Bama has a better rushing defense statistically.
The Tigers also only had 77 vs. Georgia and 114 vs. Ole MIss.
I think Iowa will take their chances with Jennings throwing the ball. He may have a very good game, but if were the Iowa DC, that would be my approach.
Of the teams you mentioned, only Bama has a better rushing defense statistically.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 6:41 pm to cas4t
I had to cut my post short the other night because my baby was getting fussy. I thought I'd add a few more thoughts and expand o n somethings after seeing some of the other posts. It is great to see mostly civil discussion going on here! I appreciated the info on Boffeli there Tigerbait46.
Some of my fellow Hawkeye fans are drinking too much Hawkeye koolaide on here. An 8-4 team obviously has some weaknesses.
I should have referred to the LSU D-line as having elite talent rather than being elite. They are inexperienced guys but they do have the talent. I think you guys are being a little too hard on them since LSU has had so many elite D-lines as of late. The current guys will get better with PT.
I stand by what I said of Hitchens. The guy is playing out of his mind of late and is hurting/injuring guys all over the place. Yes the Alabama LB's are great as well.
After reading a lot of these posts I want to expand upon why our safeties are so bad. They do have good athletic ability they are just not good players. The consistently bite on PA. If any skilled player with the ball meets Miller 1 on 1 in the open field they are as good as by him. Miller continues to meet guys in the open field and then go flat footed and wait for them to come to him. I'm amazed at how a three year starting SR college safety continues to do this. Obviously, he is usually left whiffing. I have seen our TR FR corner King yell at Miller numerous times before the play. Presumably Miller not doing what he is suppose to be doing. They have way too many times been playing deep zone and still had guys get behind them. Here is a nice two play stretch for Miller vs Michigan. Michigan subbed in a FR power back. He made it to Miller about ten yards down field 1 on 1. Miller stopped his feet and then went to tackle the power back high! Miller made the tackle but was run over in the process giving up another 3 - 4 yards. On the next play Gardner scrambled out of the pocket on a pass. Miller was in coverage in the end zone and saw that it looked like Gardner could run it in. He decided to leave his man and go for Gardner. I'm fine with that decision. When Miller got to Gardner he went low on him and didn't bring his feet. He didn't drive through him and throw him to the ground. While Miller was hugging Gardner around the waist Gardner was able to throw an easy TD (since Miller didn't wrap up around his arms) to the guy Miller should have been covering. I believe in that same game there was a play we were in a cover 3. We play cover 3 as: quarter, quarter, and half. Lowdermilk had the inside quarter. At the snap he turned and ran with his back to the inside of the field. He didn't see a receiver get to the inside of hime and run a post. Miller in his deep zone on the half stayed on a man running a deep out or corner. He didn't see the receiver running a post uncovered in the middle of the field. Thankfully Lowery playing quarters coverage on the far side of the field saw it and chased after him and made the tackle to avoid giving up the easy TD. Also against Michigan we were playing a zone under down on the goal on a 3rd down. Lowdermilk had Gallon in his zone. Gallon stretched Lowdermilk to the inside on his zone. Lowdermilk left him even though the guy to the inside of him already was covering a man and nobody else was a threat to come into his zone. I think these are enough example of their poor play.
Iowa Offense: We like to run a lot of 3 TE sets. We run power football and then throw to the TE's on PA. I expect a lot of this vs LSU. I wouldn't look for us to target the WR's much. With LSU having a skilled DL and poor LB's I would look for the Iowa OL to hold their blocks at the LOS a little longer before trying to get to the second level. LSU needs to crash hard to the play side to stop the run. We don't run counters! Only Canzeri has the vision and speed to cut it back on an over-pursuing defense. The LSU LB's have to stay disciplined and not let the TE's kill them on PA.
LSU offense: Stay patient and run the ball! Iowa needs to force LSU to make long drives all day. Neighbors is going to be a big key. If I were Cam Cameron I would look to make the right side my strong side and run that way. This way you run away from Hitchens and Hardy. LSU should run a lot of that quick toss off-tackle play. When in obvious pass situations LSU should go 4 wide and put Beckham in the slot to get a miss match on a LB. In those situations Iowa has developed a "Raider" package during the later part of the year. This is when he insert 1 DT, 2 rush ends, and 4 LB, and 4 DB.
Hopefully we can continue some more good civil debate and breakdowns of the upcoming game!
Some of my fellow Hawkeye fans are drinking too much Hawkeye koolaide on here. An 8-4 team obviously has some weaknesses.
I should have referred to the LSU D-line as having elite talent rather than being elite. They are inexperienced guys but they do have the talent. I think you guys are being a little too hard on them since LSU has had so many elite D-lines as of late. The current guys will get better with PT.
I stand by what I said of Hitchens. The guy is playing out of his mind of late and is hurting/injuring guys all over the place. Yes the Alabama LB's are great as well.
After reading a lot of these posts I want to expand upon why our safeties are so bad. They do have good athletic ability they are just not good players. The consistently bite on PA. If any skilled player with the ball meets Miller 1 on 1 in the open field they are as good as by him. Miller continues to meet guys in the open field and then go flat footed and wait for them to come to him. I'm amazed at how a three year starting SR college safety continues to do this. Obviously, he is usually left whiffing. I have seen our TR FR corner King yell at Miller numerous times before the play. Presumably Miller not doing what he is suppose to be doing. They have way too many times been playing deep zone and still had guys get behind them. Here is a nice two play stretch for Miller vs Michigan. Michigan subbed in a FR power back. He made it to Miller about ten yards down field 1 on 1. Miller stopped his feet and then went to tackle the power back high! Miller made the tackle but was run over in the process giving up another 3 - 4 yards. On the next play Gardner scrambled out of the pocket on a pass. Miller was in coverage in the end zone and saw that it looked like Gardner could run it in. He decided to leave his man and go for Gardner. I'm fine with that decision. When Miller got to Gardner he went low on him and didn't bring his feet. He didn't drive through him and throw him to the ground. While Miller was hugging Gardner around the waist Gardner was able to throw an easy TD (since Miller didn't wrap up around his arms) to the guy Miller should have been covering. I believe in that same game there was a play we were in a cover 3. We play cover 3 as: quarter, quarter, and half. Lowdermilk had the inside quarter. At the snap he turned and ran with his back to the inside of the field. He didn't see a receiver get to the inside of hime and run a post. Miller in his deep zone on the half stayed on a man running a deep out or corner. He didn't see the receiver running a post uncovered in the middle of the field. Thankfully Lowery playing quarters coverage on the far side of the field saw it and chased after him and made the tackle to avoid giving up the easy TD. Also against Michigan we were playing a zone under down on the goal on a 3rd down. Lowdermilk had Gallon in his zone. Gallon stretched Lowdermilk to the inside on his zone. Lowdermilk left him even though the guy to the inside of him already was covering a man and nobody else was a threat to come into his zone. I think these are enough example of their poor play.
Iowa Offense: We like to run a lot of 3 TE sets. We run power football and then throw to the TE's on PA. I expect a lot of this vs LSU. I wouldn't look for us to target the WR's much. With LSU having a skilled DL and poor LB's I would look for the Iowa OL to hold their blocks at the LOS a little longer before trying to get to the second level. LSU needs to crash hard to the play side to stop the run. We don't run counters! Only Canzeri has the vision and speed to cut it back on an over-pursuing defense. The LSU LB's have to stay disciplined and not let the TE's kill them on PA.
LSU offense: Stay patient and run the ball! Iowa needs to force LSU to make long drives all day. Neighbors is going to be a big key. If I were Cam Cameron I would look to make the right side my strong side and run that way. This way you run away from Hitchens and Hardy. LSU should run a lot of that quick toss off-tackle play. When in obvious pass situations LSU should go 4 wide and put Beckham in the slot to get a miss match on a LB. In those situations Iowa has developed a "Raider" package during the later part of the year. This is when he insert 1 DT, 2 rush ends, and 4 LB, and 4 DB.
Hopefully we can continue some more good civil debate and breakdowns of the upcoming game!
Posted on 12/13/13 at 7:47 pm to hawk8645
Pretty good stuff here. It's rare on Iowa boards of late. A lot of angst over last year, the coach, etc., etc, ad infinitum. Very little good football talk.
I appreciate everyone's input here. I like to learn from those that understand the game's finer points. It's taught me to watch line play, and blocking schemes. I watch a game completely different now than I used to five years ago.
I appreciate everyone's input here. I like to learn from those that understand the game's finer points. It's taught me to watch line play, and blocking schemes. I watch a game completely different now than I used to five years ago.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 7:51 pm to BrewHawk
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Aw jeez, another blowhard?
Not really. He actually gave a pretty solid overview of our entire team.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 8:50 pm to lsu2006
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Not really. He actually gave a pretty solid overview of our entire team.
In other words, you guys are unbeatable...got it.
I think our run defense will have something to say about your run offense. We're getting to that "I guess we'll just have to see" point.
Of course, if we stuff you guys it will just be that you weren't motivated and didn't come to play. What a load of crap.
Remember, there's one win and one loss that separates our teams. That's it and I like our chances.
I guess we'll see.
Posted on 12/13/13 at 8:59 pm to Iowa Golfer
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