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Miles orchestration - the big picture
Posted on 11/16/13 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/16/13 at 10:49 am
Throughout his time when he was accountable for talent/coaching on the team, much of that time we lacked either/or offensive line talent, with some occasions of poor assistant selection.
Of course we had to persist through the numerous Malveto and Stud-OC experiments which we mostly knew where the wrong steps.
Now that has shifted to a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball.
With the truly once-in-a-generation level of talent coming out of LA this next recruiting season, He has a chance to stock-up with talent and depth once again.
The point is his big picture coordination of talent and coaching seem to constantly fail to scheme/plan for the full picture needed. 2011's team was the closest, but the QB situation offset that to make it difficult anyway. (yeah yeah, RP)
Is this dude as good at forward planning and scheming the big picture as a "Program Coach" as he is mostly given credit for?
This year it is the weak talent on defense.
What will be the one piece missing next year or the year after that which keeps us from being special like Bama seems to be every year?
Or has he re-grouped and has it all phasing together again?
Can he phase his planning or not? Or, is this just too much to ask for?
Of course we had to persist through the numerous Malveto and Stud-OC experiments which we mostly knew where the wrong steps.
Now that has shifted to a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball.
With the truly once-in-a-generation level of talent coming out of LA this next recruiting season, He has a chance to stock-up with talent and depth once again.
The point is his big picture coordination of talent and coaching seem to constantly fail to scheme/plan for the full picture needed. 2011's team was the closest, but the QB situation offset that to make it difficult anyway. (yeah yeah, RP)
Is this dude as good at forward planning and scheming the big picture as a "Program Coach" as he is mostly given credit for?
This year it is the weak talent on defense.
What will be the one piece missing next year or the year after that which keeps us from being special like Bama seems to be every year?
Or has he re-grouped and has it all phasing together again?
Can he phase his planning or not? Or, is this just too much to ask for?
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Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:04 am to Football_Freak
i think its lack of talent and experience on defense. But i do see that we are transitioning to a very mobil quarterback scheme that can open the playbook a little more, run, and extend plays. This takes a little time and i feel good about our future with this transition.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:12 am to old man tiger
Need better play from the big boys on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:22 am to old man tiger
quote:
But i do see that we are transitioning to a very mobil quarterback scheme that can open the playbook a little more, run, and extend plays. This takes a little time and i feel good about our future with this transition.
We tried that it failed. We should have been pushing back toward a prototypical QB. This year was what we've been missing on offense, we've opened our playbook at times and really went after teams.
If we regress back to an option based offense, I'll be pissed.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 11:25 am to Football_Freak
The formula doesn't change from one program to the next. Recruit the best kids you possibly can, coach them up, and create/reinforce a culture of toughness, tireless prep, and teamwork. Rinse repeat. Sometimes you miss on talent, sometime you don't get cultural buy-in (through lack of peer leadership) and sometimes your prep / gameplan is wrong.
And sometimes all those things are great, and you still underachieve.
And sometimes all those things are great, and you still underachieve.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:21 pm to Football_Freak
quote:We had almost 4 years to get a good QB after RP got kicked off the team in early 2008. His answer to that was Andrew fricking Hatch. It took Mett getting kicked off UGA's team for playing with a girls titties 3 years later to finally get a QB, and then not from recruiting but as a JUCO cast off. Why do you tards give Miles a pass for that?
but the QB situation offset that to make it difficult anyway. (yeah yeah, RP)
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 12:28 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Atl, you once told me 'I like the way you think, shake the haters'..good words to live by.
To which Uncle Stu replied 'Sure you do, you miserable frick'
To which Uncle Stu replied 'Sure you do, you miserable frick'
Posted on 11/16/13 at 3:05 pm to DEG
quote:
The formula doesn't change from one program to the next. Recruit the best kids you possibly can, coach them up, and create/reinforce a culture of toughness, tireless prep, and teamwork. Rinse repeat.
emphatically disagree
Posted on 11/16/13 at 4:35 pm to Football_Freak
quote:Too much, I'm afraid. After almost 9 years at LSU, watching CLM coach, it looks to me like he pretty much just lives in the moment and enjoys the hell out of that moment, just like my loveable pet Shepherd.
Can he phase his planning or not? Or, is this just too much to ask for?
But tomorrow? What's that mean? Woof!
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 5:45 pm to Football_Freak
quote:
emphatically disagree
Don't give a damn. Bro.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:39 pm to Football_Freak
What?
Posted on 11/16/13 at 7:54 pm to tigerfan182
We went the way we did on offense this yr because we had a QB in his second yr that has NFL height & arm with cinder blocks for feet. It is of utmost importance that he have a complete and non-moving pocket to be successful. That's his shortcoming. His lack of foot speed. We will run some plays (god, not the short side option) in the next few yrs that we haven't seen, simply based on QB ability. Play with the hand you're dealt. Back to the OP's question- NO, Miles is not a meticulous, hands on guy. He's never thinking very far ahead. Don't argue, because we've all seen the history and scratched our heads over the inexcusable/unexplainable. I watch the same thing here in Ga with the Richt regime.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:00 pm to Football_Freak
I dont blame him for stud. He hired the guy he wanted in krags and was a good hire. Plus you cant just fire stud, he was never a candidate for the oc position to beginwith. Plus if we made a change before last season, not sure who we would have gotten. Cam wasnt available.
Same with malveto, maybe no one was available that Les wanted. so he thought those guys would be able to continue what bo was doing. which wasnt all that great to begin with. I dont think the co defensive coordinators was ever going to stick and i dont think miles planned on it. remember chavis wasnt available. and most people have said chavis saved this program up until this year. So in hindsight, Les got the guys he wanted by waiting.
Id say his biggest mistake on recruiting was at the qb position. Yeah he got rp, but we had no one after lee/jj. He righted this by getting a Juco qb in Mett. So Miles has basically fixed everything that has gone wrong.
Same with malveto, maybe no one was available that Les wanted. so he thought those guys would be able to continue what bo was doing. which wasnt all that great to begin with. I dont think the co defensive coordinators was ever going to stick and i dont think miles planned on it. remember chavis wasnt available. and most people have said chavis saved this program up until this year. So in hindsight, Les got the guys he wanted by waiting.
Id say his biggest mistake on recruiting was at the qb position. Yeah he got rp, but we had no one after lee/jj. He righted this by getting a Juco qb in Mett. So Miles has basically fixed everything that has gone wrong.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:09 pm to higgins
quote:
Don't argue, because we've all seen the history and scratched our heads over the inexcusable/unexplainable. I watch the same thing here in Ga with the Richt regime.
Ive been doing this as an LSU fan my whole life. Its not just under miles. I still scratch my head at the fact that ron zook out coached saban on multiple occasions.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:18 pm to dgnx6
Miles has fixed nothing that has gone wrong in a timely fashion.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:25 pm to ps101
He's fixed stuff but only after it's gotten so bad that the heat got too hot. Sometimes you have to be able to see things and react ahead if the storm.
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:32 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
He's fixed stuff but only after it's gotten so bad that the heat got too hot. Sometimes you have to be able to see things and react ahead if the storm.
At least you admit he has, unlike the poster above you and countless others that just flat out say he hasnt fixed anything.
But i dont agree about the heat. I dont think his seat has ever really been hot. Think about these expectations we had after saban. Miles pretty much met them. The expectations were not win 3 bcs titles in a row. those are expectations set by saban nut huggers. What coach was going to gain respect from the fans after saban? none. And miles has done a damn good job at raising this program to another level even after lord saban.
Trust me, he botched the the qb recruiting. But that has changed now. all these guys on the team rt now could have gone somewhere else.
My biggest fear is getting stuck. You guys think we could get anyone, but yet here we are with Les Miles. Why didnt we Hire gruden after Saban? Or any of the other coaches people think would have done a better job? Because we cant get anyone we want.
This post was edited on 11/16/13 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 11/16/13 at 8:48 pm to Football_Freak
Oh phuck....please make these threads stop. How many threads with new titles do we need to discuss the same crap?
BTW the Co-D and Stud WERE NOT experiments. They were deliberate decisions based on the situations at hand. I doubt CLM ever saw these moves other than band aid solutions.
BTW the Co-D and Stud WERE NOT experiments. They were deliberate decisions based on the situations at hand. I doubt CLM ever saw these moves other than band aid solutions.
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