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Is it true/What's the physics behind a dirtier rifle shooting better?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:06 pm
Obviously dirty to a point...but I hear a little bit of dirt is better than a clean rifle barrel.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:07 pm to Pectus
i have a couple that WILL not group clean. My 17 if cleaned will be all over the place until you get a box of ammo through it. i never clean it now and can stack them
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:08 pm to Pectus
you should know
you're wearing the helmet
and aren't you smart?
you're wearing the helmet
and aren't you smart?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:47 pm to Pectus
I would think it's the same reason a hot barrel is less accurate.
tighter fit.
tighter fit.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:55 pm to Dooshay
Hot barrels are a looser fit or do they just expand unevenly. Causing slight warping?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:09 pm to Nodust
I would think it should expand fairly evenly unless it's a poor quality metal.
The biggest factor imo is just the diameter increasing with the metal's expansion and having a greater tolerance for the bullet to pass through.
Every machining process has some sort of tolerance and if you happen to get one on the upper end, getting a little crud in there could have the opposite effect. That's strictly speculation though.
The biggest factor imo is just the diameter increasing with the metal's expansion and having a greater tolerance for the bullet to pass through.
Every machining process has some sort of tolerance and if you happen to get one on the upper end, getting a little crud in there could have the opposite effect. That's strictly speculation though.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:30 pm to Dooshay
My theory is that clean barrels don't group because they aren't clean after the first shot and get progessivly dirtier to a certain point, where as a dirty barrel after x amount of shots will have pretty much even fouling for the next shots, as only so much will accumulate without the bullet bringing it out with it.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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My theory is that clean barrels don't group because they aren't clean after the first shot and get progessivly dirtier to a certain point, where as a dirty barrel after x amount of shots will have pretty much even fouling for the next shots, as only so much will accumulate without the bullet bringing it out with it.
Ahh. So the build up of gunk is needed where each shot will have the same pattern because they are cleaning/causing the same amount of residue each shot. So you basically have to get up to that level of gunk before you're back at precision.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:39 pm to Pectus
That's my theory that I made up after clicking this thread. I have no clue if it's accurate or not
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:42 pm to Pectus
It makes sense I guess. Rifle accuracy is about repeatable harmonics, and it seems like a changing amount of shite in the barrel between shots would have a negative effect on that.
I'm sure kengal or one of the other rifle geeks will be here with a better answer eventually. They'll all night walkers.
I'm sure kengal or one of the other rifle geeks will be here with a better answer eventually. They'll all night walkers.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:54 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
My underdstanding is that it's fouling of the imperfections in the bore. Copper fouling filling imperfections that is. My lilja barrel doesn't care one bit. It shoots .5 moa either way. My xbolt hates a clean bore.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:55 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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My theory is that clean barrels don't group because they aren't clean after the first shot and get progessivly dirtier to a certain point, where as a dirty barrel after x amount of shots will have pretty much even fouling for the next shots, as only so much will accumulate without the bullet bringing it out with it.
This is correct.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:08 pm to DanTiger
mine groups best when clean and cold
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:14 pm to INFIDEL
I agree with infidel.
It seems like some bores have slight imperfections that must be filled in. Once they're filled, the rifling is consistent.
It seems like some bores have slight imperfections that must be filled in. Once they're filled, the rifling is consistent.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:15 pm to INFIDEL
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ouling of the imperfections in the bore.
I've heard that before and it makes sense.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:16 pm to bapple
The idea makes sense...but the next question is- when should a rifle be cleaned? After a while, that buildup will become too much
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:17 pm to TigerTatorTots
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when should a rifle be cleaned?
IMO, a hunting rifle never gets dirty enough to scrub the barrel
Posted on 11/11/13 at 4:24 pm to TigerTatorTots
I agree with downshift for the most part.
If it's a deer rifle that gets shot 2-3 times a year, it probably won't matter too much. But if you have a few range outings to test new loads, you may need to use a copper solvent to get rid of some of the fouling. Once the lands and grooves don't grip a bullet well enough your accuracy goes to shite.
If it's a deer rifle that gets shot 2-3 times a year, it probably won't matter too much. But if you have a few range outings to test new loads, you may need to use a copper solvent to get rid of some of the fouling. Once the lands and grooves don't grip a bullet well enough your accuracy goes to shite.
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