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so, this is really it? back to mediocrity?

Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:14 am
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:14 am
Full dislosure: never a Miles fan (great man, good recruiter, not a good coach), certified negatiger

I've been watching LSU since the late 1970s, really paying attention since the 1980s. During that time, the school's been through peaks and valleys; however, only a few times were we "elite" or in that class.

However, for the most part, due to any number of factors (weak coaching (1970s, late 80s/90s/present, ineptitute in the AD (late 80s/early 90s), recruiting stumbles), LSU had been a "little better than average also-ran" in the SEC (and nationally).

In the 1980s, LSU flirted with the edge of becoming elite; however, Arnsparger left and the Archer hire derailed that.

In the 90s, Dinardo recognized the potential, put some things in motion that would help later, but he was not the guy to get it done.

That guy was here in the early 2000s and with a Chancellor and AD on board, made LSU elite. He left to pursue his dream (NFL) and LSU made a fateful decision, it hired Les Miles.

For a time Miles held the reins and maintained. Actually getting an NC six years ago with the help of a lot of those other guy's players. With the exception of the 2011 season, since the last of those players left, LSU has been mediocre at best - hearkening back to the mid/late 70s, and mid 90s, when 3-4 loss season and a mid/low tier bowl was the best we could hope for.

The problem is, Miles is still trying to "maintain.". It is his style. It's how he coaches. Little variance to gameplan, weak adjustments (if any). If LSU gets a lead - just hang on.

In the meantime, in addition to the fact that other guy has built a machine in Tuscaloosa (and, sadly, isn't going anywhere anytime soon), other teams (in and out of conference) have become, or are becoming elite. LSU is getting passed by, both in and out of conference.

Now, whether aTm will stay where it is after douchebag leaves remains to be seen; however, Ole Miss is good and getting better, and Auburn appears to be for real - and that's just the West.

It's not going to get any better with Miles as HC. LSU will continue to be undisiplined, will continue to make critical mistakes, will continue to underperform and will continue to lack the mental toughness necessary to soldier on and ALL of that is coaching. It was all laid bare on 1/9/12 and LSU has never recovered.

Since that date, that other guy has owned LSU. He has "made their asses quit" because he knows he can (he's done it before). Sadly, other coaches/programs know it to.

Being elite was fun while it lasted, but we are, in every sense of the word, back to being "average" at best as long as Miles is coach.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45136 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:17 am to
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Being elite was fun while it lasted,


what was the time table of our so called eliteness?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:28 am to
2001 SEC CG through 2008 BSCNCG.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:30 am to
I hate to agree with such a pessimistic view but it's hard not to nod in agreement as I read your post. LM is a good person/individual but he doesn't appear to have what it takes to be elite in today's SEC. And it's not just " a down year" issue. Our teams have fundamental problems no matter the talent level. Player development seems lacking. I just don't see how this situation will get any better.
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22495 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:31 am to
quote:

The problem is, Miles is still trying to "maintain.". It is his style. It's how he coaches. Little variance to gameplan, weak adjustments (if any). If LSU gets a lead - just hang on.
This describes this poor, good man to a "T" and explains a lot of "Why?" questions. And it also points to a bleak immediate future for LSU if this coach does not retire. We're back to being in the Cholly Mac era of good enough to be an occasional spoiler, but never good enough to win it all.
Posted by plawmac
Member since Dec 2007
3210 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:34 am to
Sad when LSU's hopes of improvement include wishing that Sumlin leaves for USC and Saban leaves for Tx.
Posted by Brood211
Member since Jun 2012
1414 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:37 am to
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:39 am to
Well, I guess I should be glad I got 4 responses before that. Lol
Posted by skuter
P'ville
Member since Jan 2005
6142 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:53 am to
Good read, I agree 100%. And sadly a lot of sunshine pumpers are facing reality this AM
Posted by windhammontanatigers
windham-stanford, montana
Member since Nov 2009
4993 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:53 am to
Udtiger, I couldn't agree with you more. You put it very succinctly and for all the real Miles lovers, you hit the nail on the head, 3 and 4 losses a year is mediocre in today's times, just look around at theundefeated and 1 to 2 loss teams. Alan Risher over and over last night kept saying that under Miles, LSU's lacks the Precision that it takes to be a great team and as you stated, it all began with the fiasco on 1/9 but like you , I never been on the Miles bandwagon, Ive tried and tried and will continue to pull for our Tigers , but unfortunately I see only rought times ahead. As you said, Aggies, Auburn, Ole Miss have passed us by and even Hanagriff said that the gap has widened btween us and Bama and appears to only be getting wider. Saban will eat our lunch once again in recruiting and we cant even hold down out own state in recruiting.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
28601 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 6:58 am to



Go to the national championship game two years ago.

Come within one first down and/or a defensive stop from making another national championship appearance last year.

But we have one rebuilding year after being absolutely decimated by the draft and we're mediocre.

You stupid fricks really do amaze me.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6059 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:06 am to
quote:

And sadly a lot of sunshine pumpers are facing reality this AM


They will recover soon enough to start bashing anyone that questions Miles. Never ceases to amaze me how they just can't admit he is a mediocre coach.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
28601 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:09 am to
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They will recover soon enough to start bashing anyone that questions Miles. Never ceases to amaze me how they just can't admit he is a mediocre coach.




Maybe its because he has won more than any other coach in the history of our school.

This is the first down year we've had since 2008. Thats five years of some damn fine football and yall want to lynch him for one rebuilding year when by all accounts we look to have one of if not the best recruiting classes in the nation coming in this offseason.

But suuuuure lets fire him and take our chances with those guys still wanting to come to a school in the midst of a coaching change.
This post was edited on 11/10/13 at 7:11 am
Posted by MandevilleLSUTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
6881 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:12 am to
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Come within one first down and/or a defensive stop from making another national championship appearance last year.


Quite the assumption here.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:14 am to
Go to the national championship game two years ago.

and remind me of what happened in that game?

Come within one first down and/or a defensive stop from making another national championship appearance last year.

but, we didn't we didn't get the first down because of bonehead playcalling, then give up winning TD drive because of crap defense. Then we proceed to essentially do the same thing in losing in our 2nd tier bowl game.

But we have one rebuilding year after being absolutely decimated by the draft and we're mediocre.

since 2007 season, 2011 has been the anomaly, not the norm

Now...what was that about "stupid fricks"?
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20437 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:14 am to
Our time period of being LSU fans parallel one another, and I see it the exact way you see it. I wonder how long we're going to milk 2003/2007. Before the elite period, we milked the hell out of 1958, as though that was good enough and if you expected any more than that you were being unrealistic and ridiculous.

Meanwhile, there are other programs who went through cyclical downswings and made a decision to pull the trigger and make a top notch hire to get back up again. Not us. It's so g damn frustrating. Especially with the perspective that you nailed.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
28601 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:15 am to
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Quite the assumption here.




An assumption that is freely made around here and the SEC rant..... When it fits the rantards purposes at least.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:16 am to
If Cam Cameron can do to Jennings what he did to Mett, we are going to be damn good next year
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:18 am to
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then give up winning TD drive because of crap defense.

I love how when the defense sucks its Miles fault but when it's good it's because of Chavis
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
54024 posts
Posted on 11/10/13 at 7:19 am to
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And sadly a lot of sunshine pampers are facing reality


What is sad about this? These people needed to wake the frick up.
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