re: LES MILES = Bobby Bowden of the SEC

I'll agree that he's like Bowden in one particular way

Match-Up Football

Bowden just recruited the biggest, fastest kids and just beat his opponents on pure athleticism...as a strategic, decisive coach, he wasn't that great

Miles is much the same - and he's definitely not much of a gameday coach, but he'll win in spite of himself, beating our opponents with pure speed and strength.

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A normal fan would hold the next coach up against the accomplishments of the former...you'd like them to meet and surpass him, assuming he was solid. In any measurable way, Miles has done that at LSU...despite following the first coach in decades that helped bring LSU a national title and national prestige again.

And yet, it isn't enough.

Instead, Miles is not held up and compared to Nick Saban while at LSU. He's compared to this non-existent Saban at LSU based on the misconceptions LSU fans have that had Saban stayed at LSU he'd have had the same success he's currently having at BAMA. All this despite the fact that Saban's teams only lost less than 3 games a season one time. All this despite the fact that we all know BAMA exists in an entirely different SEC than we do. An SEC with favorable schedules, that gets do-overs, that has the conference office set up in its home state, etc. We seem to forget that simply being "Nick Saban" was not enough to get the SEC to even pay attention to his bitching about having to play the Friday after Thanksgiving. We also seem to forget that once BAMA's coach, the minute they switched the Iron Bowl to that day, he bitched and it immediately was moved back and LSU was thrown onto Friday again.

If Miles was being compared to BAMA's coach whileat BAMA, then I could respect that. Miles isn't being compared to Saban as BAMA's coach. If he was, he'd lose but the argument would be close. He's being compared to a fantasy, and in that battle he's never EVER had a shot.

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Print the frickin shirts!

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So if Miles were to be hired in 2000, do you believe he would be as successful as he is today? I would say no. Here is the deal sunshine. When you get handed the keys to the fastest latest greatest car, you're gonna win most races. You're acting as if Nick Saban wouldn't do the same thing and you're right. He would do more! Les Miles didn't build anything here bro, it was built. Bobby Bowden started from scratch and built FSU from the ground up. Eventually after he got up in age, FSU fell off a little, but that happens. So please don't insult Bobby Bowden by comparing him and CLM. arse clown

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You people are retarded. The standard by which you measure a good coach should not be how he compares to Nick Saban. Nick has made an argument to be the greatest of all time. Just because Les isn't on Nick's level doesn't mean he's not a great coach. He's got wins; he's got championships; he's got great recruiting classes. Nick deserves a lot of credit for where LSU is today but not freaking all of it. There are plenty of guys who would have fricked it up. Ask Florida about the guy right after Spurrier and the guy right after Meyer. What does BAMA say about every body after Stallings til nick showed up. UT is still looking for another fulmer. Guys like Les and Stoops may not be on Nick's level but they are still better than just about everyone else. GTFO

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It's not THAT he lost these games, but HOW he lost them.

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I'm just as frustrated at some of the clock management issues, but he also isn't the guy throwing blocks or making tackles. I can't put all of those close losses on Miles.

Your missing the point f.u.c.k.t.a.r.d. The program was already built and primed and ready when CLM got here. You can't reasonably say that he would have the same success had he arrived in 2000. I don't think he would have there is no evidence either way. Point being Bowden built greatness, CLM stepped into greatness! GTFO

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A normal fan would hold the next coach up against the accomplishments of the former...you'd like them to meet and surpass him, assuming he was solid. In any measurable way, Miles has done that at LSU...despite following the first coach in decades that helped bring LSU a national title and national prestige again. And yet, it isn't enough. Instead, Miles is not held up and compared to Nick Saban while at LSU. He's compared to this non-existent Saban at LSU based on the misconceptions LSU fans have that had Saban stayed at LSU he'd have had the same success he's currently having at BAMA. All this despite the fact that Saban's teams only lost less than 3 games a season one time. All this despite the fact that we all know BAMA exists in an entirely different SEC than we do. An SEC with favorable schedules, that gets do-overs, that has the conference office set up in its home state, etc. We seem to forget that simply being "Nick Saban" was not enough to get the SEC to even pay attention to his bitching about having to play the Friday after Thanksgiving. We also seem to forget that once BAMA's coach, the minute they switched the Iron Bowl to that day, he bitched and it immediately was moved back and LSU was thrown onto Friday again. If Miles was being compared to BAMA's coach whileat BAMA, then I could respect that. Miles isn't being compared to Saban as BAMA's coach. If he was, he'd lose but the argument would be close. He's being compared to a fantasy, and in that battle he's never EVER had a shot.

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This guy gets it. Saban @ Bama > Saban @ LSU. Some of you are comparing Miles to a fantasy in your head that Nick would have rolled up # [fill in the blank] more championships than Les. Les has delivered (one NC, played for another, 2 SEC championships). There are not many coaches out there that can do what he has done here following Saban.

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Saban @ Bama > Saban @ LSU

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I'll bite.

So your saying Saban has learned as a coach and has gotten OBVIOUSLY better since winning his first national championship.

Ok.

Has Les Miles improved drastically since his first national championship in 2007? Les was 34-6 up to that point. How has he done since 2008? How has he improved? In what metric?

Bud, we get it...you don't like les.

You're clueLes......oh, I tickle myself....

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So your saying Saban has learned as a coach and has gotten OBVIOUSLY better since winning his first national championship. Ok. Has Les Miles improved drastically since his first national championship in 2007? Les was 34-6 up to that point. How has he done since 2008? How has he improved? In what metric?

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Two things here: 1). I'm sure Saban has learned from experience, but I don't think that's the biggest factor. I am an LSU fan, but I would be lying if I didn't admit that Alabama has a higher ceiling for continued success than LSU for a variety of reasons (decades of success and loyalty among donors, politics with SEC, extra media coverage, etc.) This doesn't mean we can't compete with them for championships, but we have to work harder and overcome more.

2.) Miles made some mistakes last year, but, since 2007, everyone (even you) will have to admit that the 2011 undefeated season was a masterpiece of coaching. We lost in the championship game that year to a better team on that day. There was no coaching that would have changed the outcome of that game (including trying a different quarterback). So, yes, I think Miles has gotten better. You have to judge a coach over more than just a few mental mistakes.