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PFF Stats of Saints, Game #8
Posted on 11/4/13 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/4/13 at 3:39 pm
Here are some screenshots of player performances yesterday.PFF Stats of Saints, Game #8
I'll list them by their rank order under various conditions (e.g., best to worst defensive player for pass rush).
OFFENSE
Offense ranked overall:
Offense ranked by pass block:
Offense ranked by run block:
DEFENSE
Defense ranked overall:
Defense ranked by run defense:
Defense ranked by pass rush:
Defense ranked by pass coverage:
PFF Refocus
-The Saints came into the game averaging only 4.1 missed tackles per game, compared to 8.0 missed tackles per game in 2012. The Saints missed 12 tackles on the day compared to only 29 coming into the game, so the difference was quite noticeable. Lofton was the biggest culprit with three misses as he’s now up to 14 on the season to lead all inside linebackers. He has over 33% of the Saints’ missed tackles on the season. Defensive end Cameron Jordan picked up his first two missed tackles of the season, while LB David Hawthorne added two of his own. After a fundamentally sound first half of the season, the Saints reverted back to 2012 form and it proved costly.
-In addition to the missed tackles, free safety Rafael Bush’s poor angles were a big reason for the Jets’ 198 yards on the ground. After Lofton missed the tackle on Ivory’s 52-yard run at the beginning of the second quarter, Bush failed to get on top of the play, and instead found himself in catch-up mode before getting bailed out by fellow safety Kenny Vaccaro who tracked down Ivory and may have saved a 98-yard touchdown run. When we see nearly 200 yards on the ground, it’s easy to assume that the offensive line dominated up front throughout the afternoon, but, as is often the case, a couple of bad plays can do serious damage, and that’s why Bush’s biggest missteps cost the Saints nearly 80 of those yards. Bush finished with a -2.2 grade against the run.
-With the Saints’ offense banged up, it was clear that quarterback Drew Brees had to rely on tight end Jimmy Graham. When matched up with a safety, he was able to run right past him, while the cornerback matchup saw Graham use his massive frame to overpower and secure the touchdown. He finished with nine catches for 116 yards and a +2.1 grade in the passing game.
-The results [of the Jets' pass rush] were night and day as Brees completed 24 of 34 for 310 yards and a +2.5 grade from a clean pocket, but when pressured he completed only 6 of 17 for 72 yards, two interceptions, and a -0.4 overall grade. Those pressures proved to be the game-changing plays the Jets needed for the victory.
-Saints WR Nick Toon dropped his only two official targets, though he had a nice first-down catch negated by a penalty. He finished at -2.3 overall on 55 snaps.
I'll list them by their rank order under various conditions (e.g., best to worst defensive player for pass rush).
OFFENSE
Offense ranked overall:
Offense ranked by pass block:
Offense ranked by run block:
DEFENSE
Defense ranked overall:
Defense ranked by run defense:
Defense ranked by pass rush:
Defense ranked by pass coverage:
PFF Refocus
-The Saints came into the game averaging only 4.1 missed tackles per game, compared to 8.0 missed tackles per game in 2012. The Saints missed 12 tackles on the day compared to only 29 coming into the game, so the difference was quite noticeable. Lofton was the biggest culprit with three misses as he’s now up to 14 on the season to lead all inside linebackers. He has over 33% of the Saints’ missed tackles on the season. Defensive end Cameron Jordan picked up his first two missed tackles of the season, while LB David Hawthorne added two of his own. After a fundamentally sound first half of the season, the Saints reverted back to 2012 form and it proved costly.
-In addition to the missed tackles, free safety Rafael Bush’s poor angles were a big reason for the Jets’ 198 yards on the ground. After Lofton missed the tackle on Ivory’s 52-yard run at the beginning of the second quarter, Bush failed to get on top of the play, and instead found himself in catch-up mode before getting bailed out by fellow safety Kenny Vaccaro who tracked down Ivory and may have saved a 98-yard touchdown run. When we see nearly 200 yards on the ground, it’s easy to assume that the offensive line dominated up front throughout the afternoon, but, as is often the case, a couple of bad plays can do serious damage, and that’s why Bush’s biggest missteps cost the Saints nearly 80 of those yards. Bush finished with a -2.2 grade against the run.
-With the Saints’ offense banged up, it was clear that quarterback Drew Brees had to rely on tight end Jimmy Graham. When matched up with a safety, he was able to run right past him, while the cornerback matchup saw Graham use his massive frame to overpower and secure the touchdown. He finished with nine catches for 116 yards and a +2.1 grade in the passing game.
-The results [of the Jets' pass rush] were night and day as Brees completed 24 of 34 for 310 yards and a +2.5 grade from a clean pocket, but when pressured he completed only 6 of 17 for 72 yards, two interceptions, and a -0.4 overall grade. Those pressures proved to be the game-changing plays the Jets needed for the victory.
-Saints WR Nick Toon dropped his only two official targets, though he had a nice first-down catch negated by a penalty. He finished at -2.3 overall on 55 snaps.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 3:44 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
Saints WR Nick Toon dropped his only two official targets
One of which lead straight to an interception and points for the opposition at a crucial time.
I'm really surprised DLP's numbers don't look worse.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 3:51 pm to Hoodoo Man
So PFF says Brees' game vs. the Jets(.8 overall, 2.1 pass, -1.3 penalty) was better than last week's 26-34 332 yards 5td Oint(.6 overall, 1.7 pass, -.8 penalty)?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 3:53 pm to Hoodoo Man
sometimes I'm not so strong on PFF numbers. In this game the numbers reflected pretty accurately IMO.
Seeing Foster have another solid game reminds me-
Any of ya'll notice him chasing Ivory on one of his long runs? He was at least 20-30yds up the field and gaining on him. Didn't get him but ya gotta love dat hustle. Similar as PFF pointed out how Vaccaro bailed out Bush on the longest Ivory jaunt.
Also maybe Jenkins is improved a lot more than we even realize. Him out hurt a lot.
Seeing Foster have another solid game reminds me-
Any of ya'll notice him chasing Ivory on one of his long runs? He was at least 20-30yds up the field and gaining on him. Didn't get him but ya gotta love dat hustle. Similar as PFF pointed out how Vaccaro bailed out Bush on the longest Ivory jaunt.
Also maybe Jenkins is improved a lot more than we even realize. Him out hurt a lot.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 3:59 pm to blueslover
The last 2 weeks you can tell our LB's and Safeties aren't getting the job done against the run for long stretches at times. They are flat out missing tackles or not being sound in their gaps, over running a play and such.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 4:02 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
-The Saints came into the game averaging only 4.1 missed tackles per game, compared to 8.0 missed tackles per game in 2012.
Wow.
quote:
The Saints missed 12 tackles on the day compared to only 29 coming into the game
Yeah, we let them run all over us.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 4:05 pm to ATLienTiger
You know things aren't so good when Cam Jordan and Galette are turning in lower-than-usual scores.
I'm more uncomfortable all the time with our run defense.
Look at this stat PFF found:
You can literally run on us all day, and we just can't stop you.
I'm more uncomfortable all the time with our run defense.
Look at this stat PFF found:
quote:
- Only 4 of QB Geno Smith’s 115 yards came through the air, with 111 yards after the catch. Only three of his eight completions traveled beyond the line of scrimmage.
You can literally run on us all day, and we just can't stop you.
This post was edited on 11/4/13 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 11/4/13 at 4:17 pm to Hoodoo Man
Wow, quite a find there Hoodoo. Tks for your premium PFF insight.
So I look up the current top rushing teams- not yards but attempts. Who grinds it the most?
# of attempts
1 Bills 303, got past them
2 Seachickens 288, coming in 4 weeks
3 Jets 279, lost
4 niners 270, coming up in 2 weeks
5 Pats 267, lost
6 iggles, do not play
7 Carolina, two of the last 4 games
Every other opponent is 15th or lower
Not numbers to be excited about fo sho
So I look up the current top rushing teams- not yards but attempts. Who grinds it the most?
# of attempts
1 Bills 303, got past them
2 Seachickens 288, coming in 4 weeks
3 Jets 279, lost
4 niners 270, coming up in 2 weeks
5 Pats 267, lost
6 iggles, do not play
7 Carolina, two of the last 4 games
Every other opponent is 15th or lower
Not numbers to be excited about fo sho
Posted on 11/4/13 at 4:49 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
Only 4 of QB Geno Smith’s 115 yards came through the air, with 111 yards after the catch.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 7:52 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
Only 4 of QB Geno Smith’s 115 yards came through the air, with 111 yards after the catch. Only three of his eight completions traveled beyond the line of scrimmage.
Yeah I was crying out in the in-game thread asking why our secondary was playing so far off the receivers, giving them such a big cushion. Geno threw down the field twice that I can recall and they were both stupid decisions and ugly.
It was amazing that we knew they would be running headed into the game and did as poorly defending the run as you could. Especially considering how Sean Payton even owned up to this in the post-game press conference, saying we knew they would try to run and still couldn't stop them.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 8:07 pm to ATLienTiger
quote:You were also calling for Payton's head in the game thread. I kinda want to miss the playofs just to see you meltdown.
Yeah I was crying out in the in-game thread asking why our secondary was playing so far off the receivers, giving them such a big cushion.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 10:23 pm to tgr4ever
I said I am done with Payton. That hasn't changed, he can pass off the play calling duties to Pete and I won't mind. Someone else mentioned it but this season is akin to his 06 year, experimenting too much with silly plays and such. All things else he can retain, but hand over the play calling to Pete unless he is truly serious about changing his ways this season. We have heard him mention time and time again this season about him and the running game, certain play calls, etc and we continually see the same things happen every game with no changes occurring.
What a good fan you are
quote:
I kinda want to miss the playofs just to see you meltdown.
What a good fan you are
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:26 pm to ATLienTiger
Wow, overreaction much?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:52 pm to josh336
How is that an overreaction? Pete Carmichael is perfectly fine as a play caller, and Sean Payton is showing himself to be a bit rusty as a play caller this season. Payton relieving himself of those duties might even be for the best, allowing him to focus elsewhere.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:11 am to ATLienTiger
quote:
Payton relieving himself of those duties might even be for the best, allowing him to focus elsewhere.
It isn't rust. It's arrogance and it's part of what makes Payton who he is. The guy is a great playcaller, but often times can't get out of his own way.
Carmichael has proven himself to be an inconsistent playcaller too. It's not like he's proven to be great.
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