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Obama aides debated 'you can keep your plan' lie


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In a bombshell report, the Wall Street Journal has gotten Obama advisers -- some on the record, others anonymous -- talking about the internal debate over the president's false guarantee that Americans could keep their insurance plan if they liked it, under Obamacare. In the end, politics trumped the truth.

...behind the scenes, White House officials discussed whether that was a promise they could keep.

When the question arose, Mr. Obama's advisers decided that the assertion was fair, interviews with more than a dozen people involved in crafting and explaining the president's health-care plan show.

But at times, there was second-guessing. At one point, aides discussed whether Mr. Obama might use more in-depth discussions, such as media interviews, to explain the nuances of the succinct line in his stump speeches, a former aide said. Officials worried, though, that delving into details such as the small number of people who might lose insurance could be confusing and would clutter the president's message.


The famous wisecrack, "Don't confuse me with the facts!" comes to mind.


One official who remains anonymous:


"You try to talk about health care in broad, intelligible points that cut through, and you inevitably lose some accuracy when you do that," the former official said.

The former official added that in the midst of a hard-fought political debate "if you like your plan, you can probably keep it" isn't a salable point.


In the end, politics dominated accuracy:


One former senior administration official said that as the law was being crafted by the White House and lawmakers, some White House policy advisers objected to the breadth of Mr. Obama's "keep your plan" promise. They were overruled by political aides, the former official said. The White House said it was unaware of the objections.







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Zahrim
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so what you are saying is the lie was purposeful and with intent.





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"You try to talk about health care in broad, intelligible points that cut through, and you inevitably lose some accuracy when you do that," the former official said.







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The White House said it was unaware of the objections.


Well, duh.






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so what you are saying is the lie was purposeful and with intent.

i mean technically you're correct, but it's more accurate to say it was political campaigning and promises






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Sentrius
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It's like amateurs in that administration and believing they would be in power forever.

This shite would've never happened under Bill Clinton.






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SlowFlowPro
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it is clear that this admin, more than any other we've ever seen, believes in "message, message, message" above all else





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The White House said it was unaware of the objections.


Did they find out about it from the same news reports that... ah frick it.






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boosiebadazz
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Jeez. Talk about serving it up to the Republicans on a silver platter. Let's hope they can capitalize come next November.


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Officials worried, though, that delving into details such as the small number of people who might lose insurance could be confusing and would clutter the president's message.


What? Everything I have read has said that several million people are going to end up losing their policies. Is that what they consider a small number? A small number is a few thousand.






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GoBigOrange86
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It's like amateurs in that administration and believing they would be in power forever.


I know I'm not an unbiased source, but I am legitimately stunned at the sheer incompetence and lack of a capacity to govern displayed by this administration.






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GoBigOrange86
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What? Everything I have read has said that several million people are going to end up losing their policies. Is that what they consider a small number? A small number is a few thousand.


A few million don't matter, dude.

I mean, unless it's an election year. Then they matter.

But then they don't. Who cares, right?






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Everything I have read has said that several million people are going to end up losing their policies. Is that what they consider a small number? A small number is a few thousand.

there isn't that much difference in the number of americans who would lose their plan and the non-illegals who had no health care coverage






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boosiebadazz
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I swear to the little sweet baby Jesus, with this ACA debacle out there, if any Republican candidate answers a question about rape or abortion, I will personally walk up to them and kick them in the dick.


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SlowFlowPro
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"It's Obamacare, stupid"





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I swear to the little sweet baby Jesus, with this ACA debacle out there, if any Republican candidate answers a question about rape or abortion, they should be kicked in the dick.
They will. Republicans will find a way to frick this up.






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Sentrius
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it is clear that this admin, more than any other we've ever seen, believes in "message, message, message" above all else


Troof.

Amateurs are running wild in the west wing. They know how to run one hell of a campaign but they don't know how to govern in areas that really matter. They don't have governmental foresight.

That's what happens when you elect the least qualified individual ever to the White House.






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GoBigOrange86
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I swear to the little sweet baby Jesus, with this ACA debacle out there, if any Republican candidate answers a question about rape or abortion, I will personally walk up to them and kick them in the dick.


I know. For the love of God, Republicans, get out of your own way.

"HURRRR I FINK DAT SOMETIMES RAPE ISN'T RAPE THOUGH"






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GoBigOrange86
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That's what happens when you elect the least qualified individual ever to the White House.


Woah now.

Zachary Taylor was more unqualified brah






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Robot Santa
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there isn't that much difference in the number of americans who would lose their plan and the non-illegals who had no health care coverage



That's what I thought. Sounds like this is a combination of dishonesty and flat out incompetence. Pretty much par for the course with this administration.






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