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Carney Blames Insurance Companies To Cover Obama's Lies



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Carney Blames Insurance Companies To Cover Obama's Lies About People Keeping Their Insurance Plans


White House press secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday that President Obama did not mislead the American people when he said the anybody who liked his or her health insurance plan could keep it after the health-care law’s implementation.

“No,” Carney said at Tuesday’s White house briefing when asked directly whether Obama misled. “The president was clear about a basic fact: If you had insurance that you liked on the individual market and you wanted to keep that insurance through 2010, ’11, ’12, ’13, and in perpetuity if you wanted it and it was available, you could. You were grandfathered in.”

Carney said the statement was true but that it couldn’t account for insurers canceling or changing existing plans after the law was passed. Existing plans that don’t meet a set of standards set out by the health-care law have been canceled.

“What no health care reform could envision or could responsibly stipulate is that any plan that might come along in the next few years would be grandfathered in because that would undermine the basic premise of providing minimum benefits for the American people,” Carney said.

“So again, in all of these cases, what is absolutely true is that if you had a plan before the Affordable Care Act that you liked on the individual market, and your insurance company didn’t take that away from you and offer you instead something else that you then purchased, but they provided you the same plan this whole time, you can keep it. And that’s true.”

Reporters relentlessly questioned Carney on the years-old and oft-repeated claim by Obama and the administration, in light of recent disclosures that many or most people who have purchased insurance as individuals could see those plans canceled.







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So again, in all of these cases, what is absolutely true is that if you had a plan before the Affordable Care Act that you liked on the individual market, and your insurance company didn’t take that away from you and offer you instead something else that you then purchased, but they provided you the same plan this whole time, you can keep it. And that’s true.”

Sure, except that the regulations that the Obama White House produced, and which the President actually has the constitutional right to change without action from Congress, makes it so that even a 1 cent increase in your premium creates a change in your current plan so it is no longer valid.






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Sure, they blame everyone else. Hell, the press lets them get away with it. When Doctors won't see the ACA patients, they'll turn on them...its coming.





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As this fricked up law keeps getting shittier, these a-holes will eventually say The Tea Party created Obamacare.





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The spin is getting wilder and wilder.

They must be feeling some heat to be pulling this stuff out.






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As this fricked up law keeps getting shittier, these a-holes will eventually say The Tea Party created Obamacare.



This is next. Some how some way.

I recall saying a while ago, 'what is Obama going to do next take-over kids lemon aid stands?' Months (weeks?)later it was announced they were taxed and regulated (requiring a permit) to make sure the kids don't sell tainted lemon aid.



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Any honest person with half a brain can see right through that bull shite.





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Waiting for the website was "Racist"...its coming.





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Any honest person with half a brain can see right through that bull shite.

Well that lets the 47% off the hook right there.






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"If you like it you can keep it" I can't understand how it's the insurance companies' fault that there plans don't comply with law so they can't offer it.





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It's not like this M.O. isn't played routinely and effectively.

It's not unlike raising gas taxes. They know that when you go to the pump and see higher prices, you don't think, "damned govt".....you think, "damned Exxon".

And, this applies in myriad areas at the Fed and state level. Governments have figured out that even more awesome than income taxes are hidden taxes where the object of anger becomes whomever must collect the money, not the govt.






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The teflon is thick with this one. The court jester walks out an gives this BS to the tingling masses at his feet and actually expects them to buy it. The only problem is that finally now(their backing in two elections too late) they aren't consuming the shite without question instead they just laugh at his performances openly. How does the Moose hold her head up proudly as even she must contain the guffaws.





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CajunAngele
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The night before Sebelius is to testify CNN breaks this...

CNN Obtains Documents Showing Obama Regime Was Given “Stark Warnings” Just Before Obamacare Launch That The Site Was Not Ready

and 13 minutes ago this...

Sebelius blames contractors for HealthCare.gov problems - CBS News

Someone post these. I am out for the night.






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So who is going to educate the other 54%?





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Elimination of lifetime cap = change in policy under ACA (even if policy containeded everything else ACA requires).

Thus, ALL individual policies would HAVE TO change.

Therefore, they would have to be cancelled.

Ergo, Obama (and Carney) are mother fricking liars.






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What he said made perfect sense to me. It was also prudent of him to show it only impacts some 5-odd percent of the population.

So, I think he did as good a job as one could to explain the position. That said, I still believe the position is unconvincing. It's as if the administration walked up to a kid and said, "I'm going to push you, but I promise you that you will not fall." The kid responds, "Well, okay, I guess, since you promise." The administration then pushes the kid, causing him to trip over a root and fall and break his neck, while then blaming the root for the injury.

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The administration would still be the proximate cause (and misleader) in that instance just as it is each of those things in this one.






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Posted by Rickety Cricket Any honest person with half a brain can see right through that bull shite.


The problem is that many people justify blaming "these big, wealthy insurance companies."






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As this fricked up law keeps getting shittier, these a-holes will eventually say The Tea Party created Obamacare.



you're late to the game--you haven't heard the "Heritage Foundation and Koch Brothers invented this in the 80s" meme?

e.g., LINK






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But people with preexisting conditions can now get coverage and kids can stay on their parents policy through middle age. All is well!





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It's as if the administration walked up to a kid and said, "I'm going to push you, but I promise you that you will not fall." The kid responds, "Well, okay, I guess, since you promise." The administration then pushes the kid, causing him to trip over a root and fall and break his neck, while then blaming the root for the injury.


In this case, it's like the Administration walked up to the insurance company that was carrying a patient, shoved the insurance company, and blamed the insurance company for the patient hitting the ground.

What's worse: That the Administration did it, or that the public believes it?






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